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From: Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: How to test if the current line contains only white-spache?
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 03:26:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87io4w84vj.fsf@debian.uxu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87ziy9kxj8.fsf@mbork.pl

Marcin Borkowski <mbork@mbork.pl> writes:

>> I don't think you can be categorical about it.
>
> Of course I can. Though maybe I shouldn't. ;-)

"Ho ho ho" - I heard that one in the
techno-incubator...

>> (save-excursion (beginning-of-line) (point))
>> and
>> (line-beginning-position)
>> The code is easier and faster to write, read, and understand.

> Is it really clear? I'm not sure.

It consists of fewer letters and the words express the
return value explicitly. With

    (save-excursion (beginning-of-line) (point))

you have a combination of three different
forms/functions with Emacs-specific lingo at that, and
that combination/lingo has to make sense to you.

> Besides, I've just checked the /implementation/ of
> `line-beginning-position', and I have some bad news
> for you. I'm not fluent in C, nut AFAICT, it's even
> uglier than the Elisp variant: there is no
> `save-excursion' just a temporary variable for the
> original position of point

So it does move point? The help says "This function
does not move point." - that might refer to the user
experience and not the implementation tho. (So the
user knows he doesn't have to enclose it with
`save-excursion'.)

> So, how is the C `line-beginning-position' better than
>
> (defun elisp-line-beginning-position ()
> (save-excursion (beginning-of-line) (point)))?
>
> (apart from being less general)? It is just /faster/,
> but not more /elegant/ or /pure/.

It is less general (i.e., more to the, eh, "point") -
but it is also more general since it is included in
the vanilla Emacs.

As for elegance and purity those algorithms from the
religio-mythical age are discontinued.

-- 
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573




  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-21  2:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-14 16:11 How to test if the current line contains only white-spache? Rolf Ade
2015-11-14 18:42 ` Barry Margolin
2015-11-15 13:29   ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-11-16 21:15     ` Philipp Stephani
2015-11-25 13:58     ` looking-at-p slower than looking-at Nicolas Richard
2015-11-25 20:34       ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-11-25 21:28         ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-25 21:32           ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-11-26 13:37         ` Nicolas Richard
2015-11-25 22:39       ` Emanuel Berg
2015-11-26 13:58         ` Nicolas Richard
     [not found]     ` <mailman.675.1448463102.31583.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-11-25 15:48       ` Barry Margolin
2015-11-25 20:39         ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-11-15 19:18   ` How to test if the current line contains only white-spache? Rolf Ade
2015-11-17  0:26     ` Emanuel Berg
2015-11-17 20:38       ` Marcin Borkowski
     [not found]     ` <mailman.23.1447720376.31583.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-11-19  1:56       ` Rolf Ade
2015-11-19  2:05         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-11-19  2:18           ` Emanuel Berg
2015-11-19  2:23         ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]         ` <mailman.202.1447899839.31583.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-11-19 13:54           ` Rolf Ade
2015-11-19 15:20             ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-11-19 23:58               ` Emanuel Berg
2015-11-20  6:14                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-11-21  2:26                   ` Emanuel Berg [this message]
     [not found]               ` <mailman.279.1447976946.31583.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-11-20  0:48                 ` How to test if the current line contains only white-space? Rolf Ade
2015-11-21  2:02                   ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.375.1448070734.31583.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-11-21  2:28                     ` Rolf Ade
2015-11-24  3:01                       ` Emanuel Berg
2015-11-20  0:48                 ` Rolf Ade
2015-11-26 17:51         ` How to test if the current line contains only white-spache? Alex Bennée
2015-11-26 23:59           ` predicates (was: Re: How to test if the current line contains only white-spache?) Emanuel Berg
     [not found]           ` <mailman.787.1448581762.31583.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-11-27  4:28             ` predicates Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-11-27 19:52               ` predicates Emanuel Berg
2015-11-15  5:56 ` How to test if the current line contains only white-spache? Yuri Khan
2015-11-15  9:18 ` John Mastro
2015-11-25 14:04 ` Nicolas Richard
2015-11-25 20:36   ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-11-25 22:41   ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found] ` <mailman.676.1448463105.31583.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-11-26 15:24   ` Rolf Ade

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