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[78.207.202.134]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x82sm11799217wmg.7.2018.03.08.07.15.22 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 08 Mar 2018 07:15:22 -0800 (PST) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes In-Reply-To: <836066ptgc.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 08 Mar 2018 15:50:27 +0200") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c09::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:223504 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Robert Pluim >> Cc: Daniel Colascione , eliz@gnu.org, sds@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2018 13:33:01 +0100 >> >> > > (maybe a comment), but since other tools would know nothing of this >> > > information, it would go out of date. Requiring that people edit a >> > > source file only with Emacs is not realistic. >> > >> > I agree. One of the features we will want >> > is to make Emacs able to read and write ODT format and RTF, >> > even if at first it can only handle subsets of their features. >> >> I'm still not clear on the goals here, and this makes things even less >> clear. As others have mentioned, LibreOffice exists, so why does Emacs >> need to be able to read and write ODT? [1] > > So that we could exchange documents with users of Office. OK. I personally have no such goal (at least not with Emacs involved), and I can't understand why people would want to, but everyone gets to scratch their own itch. Robert