From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Robert Pluim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: ESC vs Meta for shifted keys Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2018 14:52:24 +0200 Message-ID: <87in8rl3ef.fsf@gmail.com> References: <86tvsiaoe3.fsf@zoho.com> <86k1t970os.fsf@zoho.com> <20180415155051.GD31322@mail.akwebsoft.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1523883184 2520 195.159.176.226 (16 Apr 2018 12:53:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2018 12:53:04 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 16 14:53:00 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f83cx-0000Xq-MG for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 14:52:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44354 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f83f4-0001Pg-E1 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 08:55:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57029) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f83cY-0008Oa-KT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 08:52:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f83cU-0000BY-N1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 08:52:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wr0-x231.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c0c::231]:44991) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f83cU-0000B5-GN for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 08:52:30 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wr0-x231.google.com with SMTP id u46so25686166wrc.11 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 05:52:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:subject:references:mail-copies-to:gmane-reply-to-list:date :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version; bh=HncBO009I7LQa1zLrLfvWRj2+lXaAIVuG/5Ntm+w5ZQ=; b=FWB7DveaUGrk2Z4Ya7uPGvTzOEGCjUDu89AxY4YWKHrniWrZ8fYUMKRCL/HjT3yLUM S+FR89HMp8tvfbFnYvbmLrcIsqXMeoK14wMTVNq6j8yXoDF12WOQtbL+irQlnEcaABbS FvOwkAMYs7ch1S9u4U0B34/fbIz/kef8VSIJhk5JIpAT/c46f30C7FKr+4BCOek/J+0v 9fUz2R/4d05U1hHvC7263dCVPTbOqvncHPfLaAdBsQSZyOGTDFhRjo+BZ5Jb4dUWF2bP VMEbF1gsk80rTubZV0KsErVx1zpbhaSYZM6jHX6xubISZcRwFSHDOY9hgW1ebmdOwJuO KsEw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:references:mail-copies-to :gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version; bh=HncBO009I7LQa1zLrLfvWRj2+lXaAIVuG/5Ntm+w5ZQ=; b=DrIxAO9fxeIvQsvwerWkiBufMZPZ1lJJqG9qXRYz/XOlL60lQjT5ZcOZ0vXqBS7lUb +DA9Ew34MYIkFNiFU5XkSjBj5MIzl5hlTCtr4+k0DT3cPydbPjVxSPUaJAGNg0AUlEiG yBGt3l836b5i29iqGtDgK75byWlZOTB3JSdZvltHI78GCGaZboE4cUX3fT1Ofqb8EfAe ISPGFTH+CKEIvjlg4vNhj8wGk3nhlaoqzFHOtHXE6pT6o6yoNkodiOYvocjH/CEl6rng AKRcEMFNXZHQjCLwNBS+6carvOM97c+ycGqYJZ69y0F+PEgg+/eXt5bAxTEWfJpMStIW udzA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tDZA5jLZ2WYXnqOnfrRm3tZ2fKlkv6DBssWRyA/oglyk6g15fV4 dwgIZKGLYBs0gP9JdYMkzDh2gVB6 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx48LuUixvNZ9h6BTOrVhmwmgJJqVAIzhEIUC90lQa4YRLBzkgSNfym7XzKl3RKp68RvCTeDGiw== X-Received: by 10.28.51.79 with SMTP id z76mr3818834wmz.113.1523883149024; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 05:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from rpluim-ubuntu (100.8.30.213.rev.vodafone.pt. [213.30.8.100]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j24sm1140111wre.12.2018.04.16.05.52.27 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 16 Apr 2018 05:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes In-Reply-To: <20180415155051.GD31322@mail.akwebsoft.com> (Tim Johnson's message of "Sun, 15 Apr 2018 07:50:51 -0800") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c0c::231 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:116547 Archived-At: Tim Johnson writes: > And lastly, using ESC means that one need not press all chars at > once, but can do so sequentially. IOWS, ESC is a leader, not a > modifier, or so that's how I think of it. > XEmacs has/had a feature where all the modifier keys worked like prefix keys, so you could type C-M-S as three distinct keystrokes. I suspect various accessibility functions allow you to achieve the same these days. > "Each to his own and each's own is different" > -- Alaskus Curmudgeous Indeed.