From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 16:01:50 +0200 Message-ID: <87imu9p4c1.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <20190515210924.sijzy6mnpgzkt4gm@Ergus> <83ftpecwu1.fsf@gnu.org> <20190516161408.4dov3dwk5h4yoizn@Ergus> <838sv6cmwt.fsf@gnu.org> <20190516202327.5cgy2s4kppy3ahxa@Ergus> <871s0yqg2i.fsf@telefonica.net> <3210C8E9-7A74-47D6-81A0-470948E6D09C@gmail.com> <87r28xq0j1.fsf@telefonica.net> <5495188F-7A7D-4E50-82C4-E2CBABD8633D@gmail.com> <20190517060858.xoddgzyudvo4p2oo@Ergus> <20190517092120.GE9018@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="145538"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 17 16:02:18 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hRdRC-000bi4-4d for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 16:02:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49116 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hRdRB-0006tb-52 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 10:02:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38339) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hRdQt-0006so-GY for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 10:02:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hRdQs-0001h6-J1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 10:01:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=41930 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hRdQs-0001f9-CI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 10:01:58 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hRdQq-000bBY-AJ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 16:01:56 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Cancel-Lock: sha1:6QL6k+16/NpYa2hG15SYSWZJitw= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120482 Archived-At: writes: > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 08:08:58AM +0200, Ergus wrote: >> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 01:05:12PM +0900, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > > [...] > >> >Please. Text editing is the most common task by at least an order of >> >magnitude in the IT world. Even for kids. >> > >> Also agree 100%. > > I disagree, at least by 87% [snip] Well said. If somebody reads this thread knowing nothing about text editors, he will likely think that Emacs is a mess of arbitrary hacks and the other editors are models of consistency and elegance. Well, truth is that those editors are half-assed hodgepodges of accumulated afterthoughts. They allow you to do basic things in an ineffective way, but as they are menu- and dialog-based many people are happy because those basic features are easily discoverable and usable without training. Then, when you need to do a search&replace that goes beyond the dumb thing that the dialog offers, well, bad luck. (In my experience, the possibility that better things could exist don't cross the mind of many users.) Oh, about saying that Vim is consistent (while implying that Emacs is not)... that's a good joke :-)