From: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow?
Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 16:01:50 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87imu9p4c1.fsf@telefonica.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20190517092120.GE9018@tuxteam.de
<tomas@tuxteam.de> writes:
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 08:08:58AM +0200, Ergus wrote:
>> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 01:05:12PM +0900, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> >Please. Text editing is the most common task by at least an order of
>> >magnitude in the IT world. Even for kids.
>> >
>> Also agree 100%.
>
> I disagree, at least by 87%
[snip]
Well said.
If somebody reads this thread knowing nothing about text editors, he
will likely think that Emacs is a mess of arbitrary hacks and the other
editors are models of consistency and elegance. Well, truth is that
those editors are half-assed hodgepodges of accumulated afterthoughts.
They allow you to do basic things in an ineffective way, but as they are
menu- and dialog-based many people are happy because those basic
features are easily discoverable and usable without training. Then, when
you need to do a search&replace that goes beyond the dumb thing that the
dialog offers, well, bad luck. (In my experience, the possibility that
better things could exist don't cross the mind of many users.)
Oh, about saying that Vim is consistent (while implying that Emacs is
not)... that's a good joke :-)
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2019-05-14 23:54 Is Elisp really that slow? Ergus
2019-05-15 11:57 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 13:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 13:25 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 13:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 14:18 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 14:45 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 15:14 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 15:39 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 15:51 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 16:05 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 16:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 16:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 16:12 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 16:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 20:23 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 20:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 15:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 17:29 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-15 19:38 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 19:53 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-15 20:09 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 23:24 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 20:46 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 23:30 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 23:12 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 19:47 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 19:45 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 15:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 15:34 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 15:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 17:30 ` John Yates
2019-05-15 19:29 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 20:15 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 20:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 20:57 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 21:00 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 21:17 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 11:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 15:07 ` Uniformity (was: Is Elisp really that slow?) Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 15:24 ` Uniformity Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 15:45 ` Uniformity Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 19:58 ` Uniformity (was: Is Elisp really that slow?) Ergus
2019-05-18 23:51 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 15:14 ` Is Elisp really that slow? Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15 15:40 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 16:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15 16:23 ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-05-15 16:27 ` tomas
2019-05-15 17:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15 20:09 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-16 13:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 13:40 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-16 14:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15 21:09 ` Ergus
2019-05-16 14:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 16:14 ` Ergus
2019-05-16 17:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 20:23 ` Ergus
2019-05-16 20:50 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-16 22:46 ` Ergus
2019-05-16 23:19 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-28 21:08 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-28 21:50 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-17 1:28 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-05-17 2:26 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 4:05 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-05-17 6:08 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 9:21 ` tomas
2019-05-17 14:01 ` Óscar Fuentes [this message]
2019-05-17 14:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 14:50 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 18:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 19:23 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 20:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 16:37 ` tomas
2019-05-17 16:50 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 17:05 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 18:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 18:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 18:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-30 12:09 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-25 16:48 ` Jean Louis
2019-05-29 4:58 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-17 13:46 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-29 4:26 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-17 5:52 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 9:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 12:35 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 13:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 13:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 13:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 15:07 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-18 15:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 15:39 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 15:47 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-17 15:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 19:24 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 20:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-19 13:38 ` Ergus
2019-05-19 13:42 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-06 3:24 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-05 6:05 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-05 4:44 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-06 21:06 ` Xavier Maillard
2019-06-07 19:01 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-31 15:50 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-31 17:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07 18:46 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-02 10:49 ` Stefan Huchler
2019-06-02 19:16 ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-06-02 22:49 ` Stefan Huchler
2019-06-07 18:55 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-07 18:53 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-17 14:21 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 15:02 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-17 16:29 ` Stefan Huchler
2019-05-17 17:19 ` Ergus
2019-06-05 2:29 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-04 22:29 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-30 3:30 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-17 14:12 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 8:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 9:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 11:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 12:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 12:56 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 13:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 15:03 ` Drew Adams
2019-06-04 1:27 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-31 19:03 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-01 8:17 ` Jean Louis
2019-06-07 18:49 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-17 13:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 13:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 13:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 14:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-18 16:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-18 17:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-18 22:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-18 23:54 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-19 0:24 ` 조성빈
2019-05-19 5:24 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-19 15:18 ` Stefan Huchler
2019-05-19 18:40 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-20 6:47 ` tomas
2019-05-20 14:57 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-20 15:28 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-06 5:16 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-21 12:19 ` Van L
2019-05-23 20:01 ` Robert Thorpe
2019-05-23 23:05 ` Stefan Huchler
2019-05-24 14:40 ` Robert Thorpe
2019-05-25 0:07 ` Stefan Huchler
2019-05-25 10:54 ` Robert Thorpe
2019-06-06 6:02 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-06 0:16 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-06 0:08 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-06 0:06 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-19 2:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-31 21:04 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-31 15:05 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-17 14:40 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-02 2:00 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-19 18:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-19 19:23 ` 조성빈
2019-05-20 6:53 ` tomas
2019-06-06 5:03 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-11 13:06 ` Ergus via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-11 13:37 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-12 1:08 ` Ergus via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-30 21:30 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-30 21:25 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
[not found] ` <<20190517055202.ted62gt6hqcip7xt@Ergus>
[not found] ` <<83mujlbgjh.fsf@gnu.org>
2019-05-17 15:03 ` Drew Adams
2019-06-04 1:20 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-04 1:50 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-28 23:16 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-17 9:05 ` tomas
2019-05-28 21:54 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-17 8:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 15:22 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 18:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 19:55 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-04 1:41 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-04 1:38 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-04 1:37 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-31 3:36 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-17 8:55 ` tomas
2019-05-17 15:02 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-31 4:52 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-27 14:30 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-29 5:02 ` Xavier Maillard
2019-06-07 18:40 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-17 6:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-30 17:58 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-25 8:22 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-25 9:05 ` 조성빈 via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-25 5:14 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-25 4:42 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-25 6:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07 18:34 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-07 20:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-19 0:03 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-19 8:16 ` Van L
2019-05-19 10:35 ` 조성빈
2019-05-19 12:48 ` Van L
2019-05-19 13:13 ` Ergus
2019-06-06 2:54 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-19 13:00 ` Ergus
2019-05-19 14:57 ` 조성빈
2019-06-06 3:08 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-19 13:05 ` Ergus
2019-05-21 12:00 ` Van L
2019-06-06 3:20 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-06 0:52 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-06 0:53 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-19 14:32 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-21 12:09 ` Van L
2019-06-06 0:43 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-06 2:12 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-23 20:16 ` Robert Thorpe
2019-06-07 18:23 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-08 20:12 ` Robert Thorpe
2019-06-09 13:37 ` Tomas Nordin
2019-06-09 13:50 ` tomas
2019-06-10 22:55 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-12 9:16 ` [offtopic] " Van L
2019-06-12 9:28 ` tomas
2019-06-12 11:31 ` Van L
2019-06-12 11:44 ` tomas
2019-06-14 4:12 ` Xavier Maillard
2019-06-14 7:07 ` tomas
2019-06-12 11:16 ` [offtopic] " Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-12 13:28 ` Van L
2019-05-16 23:31 ` Emanuel Berg
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-05-16 1:32 Ergus
2019-05-22 7:13 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-16 1:19 Ergus
2019-05-20 11:32 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-02 21:40 Why is Elisp slow? Ergus
2019-05-02 23:39 ` 조성빈
2019-05-03 0:44 ` Ergus
2019-05-10 13:14 ` Van L
2019-05-10 13:22 ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-05-11 0:38 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-11 7:32 ` Is Elisp really that slow? (was: Why is Elisp slow?) tomas
2019-05-11 7:42 ` 조성빈
2019-05-11 7:57 ` tomas
2019-05-11 23:09 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-12 7:54 ` tomas
2019-05-12 9:46 ` 조성빈
2019-05-12 14:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12 14:45 ` Is Elisp really that slow? Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-12 15:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12 15:46 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-12 17:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12 18:37 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-12 18:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 1:44 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-12 21:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-12 22:22 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-14 13:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-14 15:09 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-13 0:57 ` Samuel Wales
2019-05-13 12:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-13 14:23 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-13 14:33 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-14 8:24 ` tomas
2019-05-14 13:21 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-14 14:44 ` tomas
2019-05-15 11:25 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 12:05 ` tomas
2019-05-15 23:02 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-16 6:48 ` tomas
2019-05-16 9:37 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-16 11:02 ` tomas
2019-05-23 14:23 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-24 1:33 ` Van L
2019-05-16 13:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-23 14:28 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-23 14:54 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-23 14:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-06 5:18 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-16 14:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-25 4:53 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-13 1:52 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-13 1:35 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-12 21:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-13 1:27 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-13 14:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 15:00 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-13 15:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-14 11:54 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-14 16:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-14 17:05 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-14 18:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15 11:27 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 14:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 23:19 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-17 6:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 15:02 ` John Yates
2019-05-13 15:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 22:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-14 6:27 ` Paul W. Rankin
2019-05-14 13:10 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-13 15:42 ` Van L
2019-05-17 15:17 ` Ken Goldman
2019-06-04 1:36 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-08 0:26 ` Is Elisp really that slow? (was: Why is Elisp slow?) Samuel Wales
2019-06-08 8:52 ` tomas
2019-06-08 21:00 ` Samuel Wales
2019-06-08 21:14 ` tomas
2019-06-08 21:44 ` Is Elisp really that slow? Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-08 23:29 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-11 4:10 ` Xavier Maillard
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