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[45.2.119.34]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m11sm26201844ioc.42.2019.09.15.08.37.43 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 15 Sep 2019 08:37:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8828b8fa-29e3-4888-928e-b25c92e4923d@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 15 Sep 2019 07:00:37 -0700 (PDT)") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:166506 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > But at least in Emacs 26.3, the default is still > `(all)'. For the record, this part of the problem > hasn't been addressed: > >> If someone does not customize this or does >> `package-initialize' in their init file before >> loading `custom-file' then they might be in >> for an unwelcome surprise, depending on what >> packages they have locally. >> >> The default value would be better as nil, IMHO. A default of nil would mean that no packages are loaded. So pretty much anyone installing packages would have to customize it to `(all)' in order to get their packages working. That sounds like a worse default.