From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] When deleting in bookmark menu, prompt for confirmation. Date: Mon, 03 May 2021 15:52:34 -0500 Message-ID: <87im3z1qwd.fsf@red-bean.com> References: <87a6pcqy7s.fsf@red-bean.com> <83czu86o46.fsf@gnu.org> <835z006jpl.fsf@gnu.org> <87im3z3f8f.fsf@red-bean.com> <83zgxb67g2.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Karl Fogel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27268"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 03 22:53:49 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ldfZb-0006wK-Gv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 03 May 2021 22:53:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60572 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ldfZa-0002jE-HX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 03 May 2021 16:53:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35682) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ldfYZ-0001qv-8M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2021 16:52:43 -0400 Original-Received: from sanpietro.red-bean.com ([45.79.25.59]:36134) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ldfYT-0004bU-7d; Mon, 03 May 2021 16:52:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=red-bean.com; s=202005newsp; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:Reply-To:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=RUC9SzRNmZ3UPJVYtaEfQQz4oMzOraDcGd9qPgOpJ+o=; t=1620075156; x=1621284756; b=XzT0zYzjy78GuGBL/yeaNE0GhutJHx9R6HIogQ0NeH/dUYWTw8gWP6BNTE8z8emeMqNHTb4Zer m9Yt221GHcGYAXDWQgtxmxVaJy1w0z//zq+xKsUdCkr056u+L0FgfRjaCFDeVZ3P0hpQb/R/JyXTG Cxb1QlV4JBvDMVTifaQNmSKw5MLPCpIFN8HNBp1fl6JoEjgNGQT/mISI1Ab2IeIaVYjaCNaLUKSZw QmuugCL5FANTY07QSdLoTz+OjVrb31K0Y48JnofvnkQS5WuZQYZw3H5K39BMcqO4EWjC/p7Xv05Ss wqkoFiA73NvSK3B8A02C1ZhQlWfdCLjXa9bqA==; Original-Received: from [12.106.183.66] (port=31074 helo=kwork) by sanpietro.red-bean.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ldfYR-0005Tw-5I; Mon, 03 May 2021 20:52:35 +0000 In-Reply-To: <83zgxb67g2.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 03 May 2021 20:41:33 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=45.79.25.59; envelope-from=kfogel@red-bean.com; helo=sanpietro.red-bean.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:268847 Archived-At: On 03 May 2021, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >Noted. But we are not going to change the default behavior in >incompatible ways on my watch, sorry. > >> If someone had suggested this when I was first implementing the >> Bookmark Menu, I think I would have incorporated the suggestion >> then and just had this behavior from the beginning. > >That ship has sailed; we cannot change the past. The sheer >amount of >time that the current behavior was the default gives weight to it >that >cannot be countermanded by reasoning. > >> The fact that it's a change in interactive behavior now is >> minor >> compared to the benefit. > >I understand that this is your opinion, but I've heard enough >complaints from veteran users about annoying behavior changes >forced >upon them (and had my own share of such annoyances) that I'm >firmly >against making such changes opt-out. Great -- that's a clear decision backed up by a perfectly reasonably argument, thank you. (I don't even disagree very strongly; there are good arguments both ways on this one.) So, I'll change the patch so it defaults to no confirmation, and add an etc/NEWS entry, and then we can see how people like it. Revised patch coming soon. Best regards, -Karl