From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Context menus and mouse-3 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 02:46:27 +0300 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <87im1dydhx.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <20200914061111.3trmuzhdvv7nwdcc@Ergus> <87y2acv2tw.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83zguragqj.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmvnuyug.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83zguq8n5o.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21942"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: philipk@posteo.net, rms@gnu.org, spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, arthur.miller@live.com, dgutov@yandex.ru, ghe@sdf.org, drew.adams@oracle.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 14 02:01:30 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m3SLC-0005UB-74 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 02:01:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60082 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m3SLA-00043n-7u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 20:01:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47096) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m3SK7-0003Iw-Lp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 20:00:23 -0400 Original-Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.193]:62285) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m3SK5-0006vd-9R; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 20:00:23 -0400 Original-Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay1-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4E609240003; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 00:00:09 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83zguq8n5o.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 13 Jul 2021 14:32:19 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.193; envelope-from=juri@linkov.net; helo=relay1-d.mail.gandi.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:271206 Archived-At: > Can't we decide which effect is TRT based on where the user clicks? > Context menus are available only in special places, and it would seem > that setting the region in those places doesn't make sense, by and > large. Context menus are useful everywhere, not just in special places. For example, selecting "Paste" from the context menu makes sense everywhere. > And if sometimes we cannot dwim there, how about making the defcustom > you introduced to allow the users to express their preferences in > these problematic cases? In the previous patch, the defcustom is named mouse-3-down-context-menu. When it's customized to nil, then only the current behavior is available with mouse-save-then-kill. When customized to t, then the context menu pops up immediately. > If the above makes sense, I think it's a better solution than forcing > this feature on everyone. I would be surprised if holding the mouse > button for several hundreds of milliseconds would suddenly produce an > entirely different and unrelated effect, and I'd probably be annoyed > by the need to hold the button when I _know_ I want the context menu. > So it sounds like this implementation is sub-optimal from the get-go, > and we should try looking for a better one. We can add as many options as necessary to cater for all needs, but the question is about the default behavior. The proposed delay is a middle ground before the user decides which behavior is more preferable. > We could also consider an even more radical solution: an option to > swap mouse-2 and mouse-3. Because isn't it true that people who > expect context menus to pop up when mouse-3 is pressed generally don't > expect and don't use region-related mouse clicks at all? (We have > such a "swap-buttons" variable specific to MS-Windows, and I've been > using it for eons, because clicking mouse-2 on a wheeled mouse is very > inconvenient.) This is not backward-compatibile change of the default behavior.