From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: philipk@posteo.net, rms@gnu.org, spacibba@aol.com,
emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
arthur.miller@live.com, dgutov@yandex.ru, ghe@sdf.org,
drew.adams@oracle.com
Subject: Re: Context menus and mouse-3
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 02:46:27 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87im1dydhx.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83zguq8n5o.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 13 Jul 2021 14:32:19 +0300")
> Can't we decide which effect is TRT based on where the user clicks?
> Context menus are available only in special places, and it would seem
> that setting the region in those places doesn't make sense, by and
> large.
Context menus are useful everywhere, not just in special places.
For example, selecting "Paste" from the context menu makes sense everywhere.
> And if sometimes we cannot dwim there, how about making the defcustom
> you introduced to allow the users to express their preferences in
> these problematic cases?
In the previous patch, the defcustom is named mouse-3-down-context-menu.
When it's customized to nil, then only the current behavior is available
with mouse-save-then-kill. When customized to t, then the context menu
pops up immediately.
> If the above makes sense, I think it's a better solution than forcing
> this feature on everyone. I would be surprised if holding the mouse
> button for several hundreds of milliseconds would suddenly produce an
> entirely different and unrelated effect, and I'd probably be annoyed
> by the need to hold the button when I _know_ I want the context menu.
> So it sounds like this implementation is sub-optimal from the get-go,
> and we should try looking for a better one.
We can add as many options as necessary to cater for all needs,
but the question is about the default behavior. The proposed delay is
a middle ground before the user decides which behavior is more preferable.
> We could also consider an even more radical solution: an option to
> swap mouse-2 and mouse-3. Because isn't it true that people who
> expect context menus to pop up when mouse-3 is pressed generally don't
> expect and don't use region-related mouse clicks at all? (We have
> such a "swap-buttons" variable specific to MS-Windows, and I've been
> using it for eons, because clicking mouse-2 on a wheeled mouse is very
> inconvenient.)
This is not backward-compatibile change of the default behavior.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-07-13 23:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 112+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-09-14 3:06 Context menus and mouse-3 [was: Changes for emacs 28] Drew Adams
2020-09-14 6:11 ` Ergus
2020-09-14 6:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-14 6:48 ` Ergus
2020-09-14 7:49 ` tomas
2020-09-14 7:58 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-14 8:29 ` tomas
2020-09-14 9:03 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-14 9:12 ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-14 11:37 ` tomas
2020-09-14 12:36 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-14 15:59 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-14 15:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 15:47 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-14 20:54 ` tomas
2020-09-15 4:35 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-15 13:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-19 7:47 ` Tak Kunihiro
2020-09-19 8:02 ` Tak Kunihiro
2021-07-11 23:38 ` Context menus and mouse-3 Juri Linkov
2021-07-12 1:25 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-07-12 11:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-12 20:56 ` Juri Linkov
2021-07-13 0:19 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-07-13 11:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-13 23:46 ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2021-07-14 4:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-14 23:37 ` Juri Linkov
2021-07-15 6:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-15 22:23 ` Juri Linkov
2021-07-16 6:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-16 18:59 ` Juri Linkov
2021-07-16 20:05 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-07-18 5:13 ` Tak Kunihiro
2021-07-18 15:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-07-19 15:55 ` Juri Linkov
2021-07-19 16:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-07-20 20:52 ` Juri Linkov
2021-07-20 22:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-07-20 23:15 ` Juri Linkov
2021-07-21 4:39 ` Tak Kunihiro
2021-07-21 5:07 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-07-21 12:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-07-21 17:26 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-07-22 3:49 ` Tak Kunihiro
2021-07-22 4:06 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-07-19 19:59 ` Ergus via Emacs development discussions.
2021-07-20 20:51 ` Juri Linkov
2021-07-12 22:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-07-12 23:56 ` Juri Linkov
2021-07-13 3:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-07-13 23:32 ` Juri Linkov
2021-07-14 2:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-07-14 23:32 ` Juri Linkov
2021-07-15 1:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-07-15 22:31 ` Juri Linkov
2021-07-16 15:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-07-16 18:50 ` Juri Linkov
2021-07-16 19:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-07-15 6:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-15 22:28 ` Juri Linkov
2021-07-16 6:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-16 18:56 ` Juri Linkov
2021-07-16 23:13 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-07-17 6:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-17 21:46 ` Juri Linkov
2021-07-17 6:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-19 17:48 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-07-19 18:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-14 15:10 ` Context menus and mouse-3 [was: Changes for emacs 28] Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 16:42 ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-14 8:15 ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-14 8:33 ` tomas
2020-09-14 15:57 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-15 19:17 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-15 20:33 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-15 22:47 ` Ergus via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-16 0:29 ` Corwin Brust
2020-09-16 1:47 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-16 1:25 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-16 8:10 ` Ergus
2020-09-16 15:02 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-17 3:57 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-17 20:10 ` Ergus
2020-09-17 21:58 ` Philip K.
2020-09-17 3:51 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-16 14:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-16 19:41 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-16 2:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-16 19:35 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-16 23:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-17 3:58 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-17 7:48 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-17 20:13 ` Ergus
2020-09-18 8:19 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-18 10:53 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-19 4:01 ` Richard Stallman
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-09-16 6:28 Context menus and mouse-3 Tak Kunihiro
2020-09-16 14:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-16 14:37 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-16 15:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-16 15:39 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-17 3:57 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-16 19:45 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-16 23:49 ` Tak Kunihiro
2020-09-17 2:33 ` Tak Kunihiro
2020-09-17 7:43 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-17 9:22 ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-17 18:59 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-17 19:41 ` chad
2020-09-18 8:23 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-18 18:41 ` chad
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