From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proportional fonts in the mode line (one month test) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 14:33:14 +0100 Message-ID: <87ilwge4x1.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87h7c1u0cg.fsf@gnus.org> <878rxchhtl.fsf@protesilaos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17421"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Protesilaos Stavrou Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 25 14:35:51 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mqEuk-0004Mn-IM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 25 Nov 2021 14:35:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34754 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mqEuj-0002KK-Aw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 25 Nov 2021 08:35:49 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40686) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mqEsM-0000At-IS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Nov 2021 08:33:23 -0500 Original-Received: from [2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2] (port=58120 helo=quimby.gnus.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mqEsK-0001QF-8S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Nov 2021 08:33:21 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=xcuA8Oiahz0pFJwqUfT6kVrqOJ+UrD8sNFusS01RFio=; b=GL4PZgj+hoyAc4j4fvKZJgTavh j8gJfJqzohHm0++uJP4dJ/TxuWiBcpiqqeruu19hxVP3q9XEoMT3pZKRMtDXVTBcZDMRCqyXaWLaq iq46IQkPRQN3YBtZlThIG2uNjnbKvx8wUwB3VMreYZw4ImE6ieymbypIJJGdZcTylsss=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mqEsE-0003qq-Hk; Thu, 25 Nov 2021 14:33:17 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAADFBMVEUECRYkP1l5orj/ //+sHS1BAAAAAWJLR0QDEQxM8gAAAAd0SU1FB+ULGQw7GPZYh58AAAFeSURBVCjPZdFBa8IwFAfw F9GCnjy0gv0Ag+1TZKDCPD0lCWvPrcx8CtlhsJsFI8zTDq0s+ZR7SaMM9i7tj4THe//AFGLV7QTu VYskfBkKgO7UI4NkAebE/P+wAnYC1WPUcHiD5DTwmCmDexj0yEtnNCSH0ODJUd2g/2N2CBO4iHEP ZTXow9wP42wmc2b5a0D3nOal5RVh4My1LqzmSEjci+6c2fewY2q+rBjvMdF21WNiITm7SwoeeQuz TtuIb9pNWwwoj8A2TkagRxGusYL6rwzBJyClgHUjQ5qTL23wERcpUDo5LdNZoOMbuo3rYTUBTUTu mk7s2pBam8nGoN6HPAU1l0IV4QkwkyhRlQFSMK64WvvRRjQaYfuBEZiJ7XsE4LzbnU14UIDpw8/1 0/kVfHa7YrN0/l4V+kOqeQCFlEllIxDySx0BAmarbO9B+9L+w0xF+EJ2vIPBHwBnx19TzH+DE4Aj WAAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAyMS0xMS0yNVQxMjo1OToyNCswMDowMMEvBCYAAAAldEVY dGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjEtMTEtMjVUMTI6NTk6MjQrMDA6MDCwcryaAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Namasenda's _Unlimited Ammo - Infinity_: "No Regrets" In-Reply-To: <878rxchhtl.fsf@protesilaos.com> (Protesilaos Stavrou's message of "Thu, 25 Nov 2021 08:26:14 +0200") X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -35 X-Spam_score: -3.6 X-Spam_bar: --- X-Spam_report: (-3.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:280118 Archived-At: Protesilaos Stavrou writes: > Can this and every other use of 'variable-pitch' that is being discussed > in recent threads be made optional? Just set `variable-pitch' to `fixed-pitch' if you don't want anything to be proportional. > My point is on the visual aspects of how things look, as I consider > consistency a matter of aesthetics (things look prettier to me when they > have no inconsistencies). Yes, making the font mixes be more consistent across all platforms is a challenge. But it seems to work pretty well out of the box on a large number of systems. The main challenge seems to be that people have already customised their variable-pitch fonts manually, probably because we don't currently mix fonts a lot. > My opinion is that every use of variable-pitch for the mode-line, > header-line, headings, Help buffers, Info breadcrumbs, etc. should be > optional. Whether opt-in or opt-out is not a major issue. Yes, of course. All these things are defined via faces, and users can customise the faces as they wish. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no