From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On Contributing To Emacs Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 10:43:22 +0000 Message-ID: <87ilvanx9x.fsf@posteo.net> References: <83zgoopkwb.fsf@gnu.org> <874k6wsajh.fsf@posteo.net> <87o8536fry.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16960"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 27 11:44:37 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n1nUa-0004GD-Uv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2021 11:44:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33480 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n1nUZ-00083C-BV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2021 05:44:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48790) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n1nTW-0007IT-Mv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2021 05:43:30 -0500 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:60587) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n1nTU-0005di-Lc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2021 05:43:30 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89DA4240106 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2021 11:43:25 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1640601805; bh=9bJRl1oCwU2IOCtzy0Qo/Xv+COpC6UhpNit9uG6Q+GU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=sCM6iSMTZU//M/p8AxCMIpQ/wCmO29MXTIIIH/913COMG3VcnKoShQbq3b0yjo9hs /Zd65iuw6RBnWo97Vh31zfNeepgXPbswLWiuLEgH6GpV0jPmh6+/EcnCisiHYd7h+z kLrODlHumNw04OMto4JAlt/RghC+drDUSjVJju+zruPQeIUrGBuXGucvq/utjzBEVX wTfABPGISMngyfVm3Ivbp8XozHCcoC+HMjJkiV9DCAbCF9iqlIVKaJvox/xmAoXW5L kl/41jmyEKhJ52vlJugHnRP6I2ncOpfF/PbRPga9twCP6tb+NEED5GOCew+oBsCP8m BZFnYrS3K23Wg== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4JMvQh2JR3z6tnG; Mon, 27 Dec 2021 11:43:24 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 26 Dec 2021 23:15:28 -0500") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283413 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > >From straight.el/README.md: > > Thanks for sending me this. > > > ## Features > > > * Install Emacs packages listed on [MELPA], [GNU ELPA][gnu-elpa], or > > [Emacsmirror], or provide your own recipes. > > We do not want it to refer to MELPA or Emacsmirror. > That would put us in the position of legitimizing nonfree packages, > and treating that distinction as a side issue. > > Fixing this would not be a big change, or difficult, but that > doesn't make it less important. I believe straight.el (the maintainer and contributors) is part of the MELPA-adjacent "milieu", so I don't think anyone could really make them change their mind. This shouldn't matter either way if the important functionality is replicated in package.el. I have always had the impression that the primary author (Radon Rosborough) has a tendency for over-engineering his packages, many of which would have been welcome additions to ELPA or Emacs, but have since been simplified or re-implemented ("CTRLF", a isearch-in the minibuffer has "isearch-mb", "Selectrum", a narrowing completion framework has "Vertico", "el-patch", a system to patch) > > * Specify package descriptions using a powerful format based on [MELPA > > recipes][melpa-recipe-format] (with a familiar but improved syntax). > > We would need to study the consequences of this feature, before > deciding whether we ought to support something like this. What sorts > of situations do people use it for? Why aren't packages directly usable > in the form that they are published? * Not all packages are immediately added to an ELPA. It is often the case that a developer might develop it for a while in a Git repository, before submitting it somewhere. This feature allows a curious user to install it, as if it were a package * The same can happen for features, a developer might maintain on a separate branch. If a user is interested in testing and giving feedback, they might want to use this branch before it is released. * If for whatever reason a package maintainer falls behind, and a fork continues development, you could simply specify the repository of the fork and use that instead. -- Philip Kaludercic