From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Heerdegen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Resources for an old newbie ? Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2023 04:15:33 +0200 Message-ID: <87ilc4ug56.fsf@web.de> References: <0e037ca2-517d-3b52-2187-a7bba7956fbd@starynkevitch.net> <87353ndhzg.fsf@web.de> <871qj7397n.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87ilch19ub.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87cz2nvk51.fsf@web.de> <87v8gfybhv.fsf@robbyzambito.me> <87zg5p5hm0.fsf@web.de> <875y8a698v.fsf@web.de> <875y89z9m7.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10905"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:Sv/XbOOg9PFTwe0hd6uUXpX9UcE= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 04 04:16:25 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q5dI9-0002gu-Sg for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2023 04:16:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q5dHZ-0005sC-1U; Sat, 03 Jun 2023 22:15:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q5dHX-0005rl-Jm for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2023 22:15:47 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q5dHV-0000sv-Ai for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2023 22:15:47 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q5dHS-0001zY-11 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2023 04:15:42 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.248, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:143839 Archived-At: David Masterson writes: > 1. with-x-toolkit=no means no Lucid or GTK -- the process gets much more > complex for dependency if you want a toolkit (I think Lucid is easier > than GTK) Note that "no toolkit" doesn't mean no X menus and scrollbars etc. You lose a bit of convenience and eye candy, but nothing fundamental: Emacs has limited support for these things (that is also planned to be improved). That is because, IIRC, GTK will eventually be dropped, and Lucid also has problems (was it some unfixable bugs or crashs?). I have also switched to a no-toolkit build now. The other builds work well in general, too, but there are these disadvantages. > 2. autogen.sh and configure need "./" in front of them (you never know > what PATH the user is using). > 3. The GNUMakefile in the Emacs distribution seems to rerun configure > with no options, so your "configure" is NO-OP. > 4. You can add arguments to the configure in the make step by passing > 'configure="--ARG1..."' to make. > 5. Even so, after doing everything else you listed and using your > configure options, I got these libraries missing with configure > suggesting how to get around it: > libXpm libjpeg libgif/libungif libtiff gnutls > 6. Oops -- missed the build-dep step! Got thru configure and it's > building properly, but it's gonna take awhile... ;) > 7. Probably should've tee'd the output of make to a log file... :( Sounds good (and also sounds like you have surely the needed skills). Michael.