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Fri, 21 Jul 2023 15:09:59 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83y1j9zbf4.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 21 Jul 2023 15:39:11 +0300") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:dgC8RwxbuQW+qX1PQ4QrhYm3xutSC21WOgpGHUm4L+50Zmzp/Of O7ksIGV2Ky4gLNNc22PwrQ3RlRN5QpfLfxP+ageJ0EfWrS4lxCkHo7/KhwUJuFhkJR7Amf2 KRmQNeD7JkjHg3BCPMKQP/CNtPObGqXq7M1/dagX7kTcLT4yOCXy9IyB7rM98RXKoY3PEyo k77s65khMJY4QC4KJFmLQ== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:3PHJccNSvLQ=;/oEG/t3jAUQzah16TjPUmyxAGt5 MPH0u3miisRs1WDXT3W2djnjyL/jKgTads7I2Vv5DdaDHiQl0r2xb3SAbRuQaJkewauTvQO73 LNzEe4tnhBhhaPhnFvMBGB76u7lPBQuTJIlkQYEk7L7nKAJCTD4Fx6nn/wardWOUQ4J+DN6VS a36+p5wVSZHyogMErbpXW5Aq0Bt/71bTz+jrSqh4FDWzeU5Y1d1VM+EsLBPZAifm9Ia7X9WCf 3/zJ9YAJe2V7ujo1a+uL4tyR80SwAfu/KO7aFCkaSyxqUVaqqhvov8iJ94fwNUjBhn4e4KYZX nakCaqZ8yB7fsqu/J/aEiurZSf2uO3s6icY23rDGopHJv0+VC79L60FSBigLAT1NBheQhBddZ V545Xd323JT3Ca0KCoUEIn3Qk9LzAcHs+Pnn+Q1FfM8KPYe84fbI5zMD8y4wGqljKqfZIgs75 WnzmrhA7Jbes88KwiKgil9o670pUhCcfFCCQee9zSAyB2CuDSdfZ8w0kuXsezmZ5ygM+zA7OT TmKfZyguI7IDezNZzOCy135mup6lIFkLdMiQqWFH6z45+aGGHoZ1bBXdZOiOnpVeShMiLGzRC lRri/DYHjbw+4seb6u1qxxDB9wI1VSaHKKsblXld4fNKYqrZ3wUlw2rRutaRQu5NGUPP/cx+t PAsPQwHRJhdIw0DJARW49g6Iv+QZh/ZiAiAlItgxfSIiC0oN0vqHETBYR1k5zEobA/Hgp+ZT3 MS2vMJiiWL2kOHEiUAcFtwTWzVzIngcX75LTawf7aef7V92bkRU8EPbSQVqLVxWoaoqL0uRO X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:265703 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> > How is this different from binding file-name-handler-alist to nil? >> > Tramp is nowadays the main consumer of this feature, and AFAIU your >> > suggestion above boils down to disabling Tramp. If so, what is left? >> >> jka-compr-handler, epa-file-handler and file-name-non-special are >> left. All of them have their reason. > > I know, but when I wrote that disabling file-handlers is > inconceivable, I meant remote files, not those other users of this > facility. > > Let me rephrase: running Emacs commands with disabled support for > remote files is inconceivable. Agreed. My proposal was to provide a convenience macro to disable Tramp when it is appropriate. Like (unless (file-remote-p file) (without-remote-files ...)) Instead of binding file-name-handler-alist to nil, as it is the current practice. And the command inhibit-remote-files shall be applied only by users who aren't interested in remote files at all. Again and again: these are ~50% of our users. > IMO, if tests against file-name-handler-alist are a significant > performance problem, we should look for ways of solving it without > disabling remote files. Sure. If there are proposals ... Best regards, Michael.