From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Re: Bignum performance (was: Shrinking the C core)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 19:41:22 +0000 [thread overview]
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Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> writes:
>> And... is has been already done, actually.
>> allocate_vectorlike calls allocate_vector_from_block, which
>> re-uses pre-allocated objects.
>>
>> And looking into the call graph, this exact branch calling
>> allocate_vector_from_block is indeed called for the bignums [...]
>
> Are we talking a list of Emacs C functions executing with the
> corresponding times they have been in execution in a tree data
> structure? :O
That's what GNU perf does - it is a sampling profiler in GNU/Linux.
The Elisp equivalent is profiler.el, but it does not reveal underlying C
functions.
> E.g. where do we find allocate_vectorlike ?
I have listed the commands I used (from terminal):
1. perf record ~/Git/emacs/src/emacs -Q -batch -l /tmp/fib.eln
<records CPU stats while running emacs>
2. perf report
<displays the stats>
You need Emacs compiled with debug symbols the get meaningful output.
See more at https://www.brendangregg.com/perf.html
> See if you can do my original test, which was 1-3 Elisp,
> byte-compiled Elisp, and natively compiled Elisp, and the
> Common Lisp execution (on your computer), if you'd like.
As you wish:
$ ~/Git/emacs/src/emacs -Q -batch -l /tmp/fib.el [5.783 s]
$ ~/Git/emacs/src/emacs -Q -batch -l /tmp/fib.elc [1.961 s]
$ ~/Git/emacs/src/emacs -Q -batch -l /tmp/fib.eln [1.901 s]
$ SBCL_HOME=/usr/lib64/sbcl sbcl --load /tmp/fib.cl [0.007 s]
without the patch (on my system)
$ ~/Git/emacs/src/emacs -Q -batch -l /tmp/fib.el [6.546 s]
$ ~/Git/emacs/src/emacs -Q -batch -l /tmp/fib.elc [2.498 s]
$ ~/Git/emacs/src/emacs -Q -batch -l /tmp/fib.eln [2.518 s]
Also, the patch gives improvements for more than just bignums.
I ran elisp-benchmarks
(https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/elisp-benchmarks.html) and got
(before the patch)
| test | non-gc avg (s) | gc avg (s) | gcs avg | tot avg (s) | tot avg err (s) |
|--------------------+----------------+------------+---------+-------------+-----------------|
| bubble | 0.70 | 0.06 | 1 | 0.76 | 0.07 |
| bubble-no-cons | 1.17 | 0.00 | 0 | 1.17 | 0.02 |
| bytecomp | 1.74 | 0.29 | 13 | 2.03 | 0.12 |
| dhrystone | 2.30 | 0.00 | 0 | 2.30 | 0.07 |
| eieio | 1.25 | 0.13 | 7 | 1.38 | 0.03 |
| fibn | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
| fibn-named-let | 1.53 | 0.00 | 0 | 1.53 | 0.03 |
| fibn-rec | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
| fibn-tc | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
| flet | 1.48 | 0.00 | 0 | 1.48 | 0.04 |
| inclist | 1.07 | 0.00 | 0 | 1.07 | 0.02 |
| inclist-type-hints | 1.00 | 0.00 | 0 | 1.00 | 0.07 |
| listlen-tc | 0.13 | 0.00 | 0 | 0.13 | 0.03 |
| map-closure | 5.26 | 0.00 | 0 | 5.26 | 0.09 |
| nbody | 1.61 | 0.17 | 1 | 1.78 | 0.06 |
| pack-unpack | 0.31 | 0.02 | 1 | 0.33 | 0.00 |
| pack-unpack-old | 0.50 | 0.05 | 3 | 0.55 | 0.02 |
| pcase | 1.85 | 0.00 | 0 | 1.85 | 0.05 |
| pidigits | 4.41 | 0.96 | 17 | 5.37 | 0.13 |
| scroll | 0.64 | 0.00 | 0 | 0.64 | 0.01 |
| smie | 1.59 | 0.04 | 2 | 1.63 | 0.03 |
|--------------------+----------------+------------+---------+-------------+-----------------|
| total | 28.54 | 1.72 | 45 | 30.26 | 0.26 |
(after the patch)
| test | non-gc avg (s) | gc avg (s) | gcs avg | tot avg (s) | tot avg err (s) |
|--------------------+----------------+------------+---------+-------------+-----------------|
| bubble | 0.68 | 0.05 | 1 | 0.73 | 0.04 |
| bubble-no-cons | 1.00 | 0.00 | 0 | 1.00 | 0.04 |
| bytecomp | 1.60 | 0.23 | 13 | 1.82 | 0.16 |
| dhrystone | 2.03 | 0.00 | 0 | 2.03 | 0.05 |
| eieio | 1.08 | 0.12 | 7 | 1.20 | 0.07 |
| fibn | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
| fibn-named-let | 1.44 | 0.00 | 0 | 1.44 | 0.12 |
| fibn-rec | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
| fibn-tc | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
| flet | 1.36 | 0.00 | 0 | 1.36 | 0.09 |
| inclist | 1.00 | 0.00 | 0 | 1.00 | 0.00 |
| inclist-type-hints | 1.00 | 0.00 | 0 | 1.00 | 0.07 |
| listlen-tc | 0.11 | 0.00 | 0 | 0.11 | 0.02 |
| map-closure | 4.91 | 0.00 | 0 | 4.91 | 0.12 |
| nbody | 1.47 | 0.17 | 1 | 1.64 | 0.08 |
| pack-unpack | 0.29 | 0.02 | 1 | 0.31 | 0.01 |
| pack-unpack-old | 0.43 | 0.05 | 3 | 0.48 | 0.01 |
| pcase | 1.84 | 0.00 | 0 | 1.84 | 0.07 |
| pidigits | 3.16 | 0.94 | 17 | 4.11 | 0.10 |
| scroll | 0.58 | 0.00 | 0 | 0.58 | 0.00 |
| smie | 1.40 | 0.04 | 2 | 1.44 | 0.06 |
|--------------------+----------------+------------+---------+-------------+-----------------|
| total | 25.38 | 1.62 | 45 | 27.00 | 0.32 |
About ~10% improvement, with each individual benchmark being faster.
Note how fibn test takes 0.00 seconds. It is limited to fixnum range.
> Actually it is a bit of a bummer to the community since Emacs
> is like THE portal into Lisp. We should have the best Lisp in
> the business, and I don't see why not? Emacs + SBCL + CL +
> Elisp anyone?
This is a balancing act. Elisp is tailored for Emacs as an editor. So,
trade-offs are inevitable. I am skeptical about Elisp overperforming CL.
But it does not mean that we should not try to improve things.
--
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2023-08-22 6:16 ` Ihor Radchenko
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2023-08-25 9:29 ` Andrea Corallo
2023-08-25 20:42 ` Emanuel Berg
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2023-08-27 17:15 ` Ihor Radchenko
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2023-08-28 9:56 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-28 19:06 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-18 8:35 ` Shrinking the C core Aurélien Aptel
2023-08-19 13:32 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-31 1:41 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-14 2:36 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-14 4:12 ` Emanuel Berg
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2023-08-09 12:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-09 16:11 ` Eric S. Raymond
2023-08-09 16:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-09 17:57 ` Eric S. Raymond
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2023-08-14 6:56 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-14 7:04 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-14 7:35 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-14 8:09 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-14 9:28 ` Gerd Möllmann
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2023-08-15 15:01 ` Ihor Radchenko
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