From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: Leo Butler <Leo.Butler@umanitoba.ca>, Bastien <bzg@gnu.org>
Cc: Lockywolf <for_org-bugs_2023-09-01@lockywolf.net>,
"emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: [MAINTENANCE] On how much we can expose internals into defcustom (was: [BUG] Consider replacing bachload with batch in ob-maxima. [9.6.6 (release_9.6.6 @ /usr/share/emacs/30.0.50/lisp/org/)])
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2023 10:57:27 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87il8ovqeg.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wmx8h2b0.fsf@t14.reltub.ca>
CCing Bastien, as he might want to intervene.
Leo Butler <Leo.Butler@umanitoba.ca> writes:
>> +(defcustom org-babel-maxima-command-arguments
>> + "--very-quiet"
>
>> +(defcustom org-babel-maxima-batch/load
>> + "batchload"
>> +
>> +(defcustom org-babel-maxima-graphic-file-format-string
>> + "(set_plot_option ('[gnuplot_term, png]), set_plot_option ('[gnuplot_out_file, %S]))$"
>> +
>> +(defcustom org-babel-maxima-default-epilogue
>> + "gnuplot_close ()$"
>> IMHO, in their current state, if a user mindlessly customizes these
>> options without knowing how ob-maxima internals work, ob-maxima may
>> simply be broken.
>
> I think there is a fine line between being too rigid but working within
> a limited scope (as ob-maxima is now), or providing enough customizable
> options to let users do what they want. I would prefer the latter,
> if the defaults provide a working configuration.
>
> Note that I do attempt to suggest other working options in the defcustom
> definitions.
>> As a general rule, we do not expose internal details that are _required_
>> for things to work to users.
>
> I understand this principle, but, why not provide enough options for
> users to configure a package to do what they want? Yes, that may mean
> they break the package--but only temporarily, because returning to the
> default options will return the package to a working state.
That's a bit more tricky.
Imagine, for example, that we commit
+(defcustom org-babel-maxima-command-arguments
+ "--very-quiet"
and some users will later customize the default value to
"--very-quite --my-personal-switch-I-want"
Then, in future, due to changes in Org or maxima, we might need to
change "--very-quite" to something else in order to keep ob-maxima in
working condition: "--very-quite=yes --another-useful-flag-we-absolutely-need-in-org"
In order to make such a switch, we will have to force all the users
change their customization - something we do not want to annoy users
with.
So, leaving essential settings customizeable is not necessarily a good idea.
This is not necessarily a rigid rule though - we do leave, for example,
`org-latex-engraved-preamble' exposed to the users in ways that can
break LaTeX src block export. The basic condition is that changing
something should be practically useful for users, which is why I asked
you to elaborate on why each of the new customizations need to be
introduced.
--
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-09-05 10:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-09-01 4:35 [BUG] Consider replacing bachload with batch in ob-maxima. [9.6.6 (release_9.6.6 @ /usr/share/emacs/30.0.50/lisp/org/)] Lockywolf
2023-09-01 18:33 ` Leo Butler
2023-09-02 7:19 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-02 18:12 ` Leo Butler
2023-09-05 10:57 ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2023-09-06 19:39 ` [MAINTENANCE] On how much we can expose internals into defcustom Leo Butler
2023-09-07 11:35 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-12 21:09 ` [PATCH] ob-maxima.el, etc. (was Re: [MAINTENANCE] On how much we can expose internals into defcustom) Leo Butler
2023-09-15 9:41 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-15 15:13 ` Leo Butler
2023-09-16 9:04 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-19 19:25 ` Leo Butler
2023-09-20 9:17 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-20 15:02 ` Leo Butler
2023-09-21 9:18 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-21 14:03 ` Leo Butler
2023-09-22 9:43 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-02 16:01 ` Leo Butler
2023-10-04 8:38 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-04 13:07 ` Leo Butler
2023-09-02 7:06 ` [BUG] Consider replacing bachload with batch in ob-maxima. [9.6.6 (release_9.6.6 @ /usr/share/emacs/30.0.50/lisp/org/)] Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-02 18:20 ` Leo Butler
2023-09-03 5:25 ` Vladimir Nikishkin
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