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From: Jeremy Bryant <jb@jeremybryant.net>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [External] : Re: discoverability, better defaults and which-key in Emacs
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2024 11:46:34 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87il357om2.fsf@jeremybryant.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR10MB548836A2924114DBA0D83F5BF3422@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>


> +1 to all of that.
> ___
>
> The most important aid for users - esp. but not
> only new users - is IMHO for them to learn how
> to better "ask Emacs".  Emacs provides lots of
> ways to discover and find things, from the most
> common or superficial things (help keys, menus)
> to those deepest in its belly (Lisp, C).
>
> That fact isn't obvious to new users, and even
> old users can benefit from being reminded of it.
> Learning better how to ask Emacs is always
> possible, regardless of level of familiarity or
> years of use.
> ___
>
> Every top-level, superficially obvious point of
> entry could help pass the message to a user to
> help yourself by learning better how to "ask
> Emacs".  Top-level entry points can include
> toolbar, menu-bar Help menu, splash screen,
> `C-h t' tutorial,...
> ___
>
> [ Maybe even every *Help* buffer could have a
>   link (the same one-line link) to a manual
>   entry or to some other presentation of info
>   about asking Emacs (i.e., finding things).
>
>   Perhaps with an added boost from AI-thingies,
>   such a link could be *Help*-context sensitive.
>
>   And perhaps (with AI) some actions that users
>   take could (optionally) sometimes be followed
>   by a popup tip about a handy (maybe quicker)
>   way to ask Emacs about something they seem to
>   be looking for or not be aware of. ]

How about discoverability regular reminders being a user-option (called something like
discoverability-help-buffer), available to new and veteran users alike?

This would make the *Help* buffers bigger but with useful reminders such
as C-h S info-lookup-symbol to jump to the manual etc, and can be turned
off at will?



  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-02-03 11:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-31 23:23 discoverability, better defaults and which-key in Emacs Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-01  2:45 ` Po Lu
2024-02-03 13:40   ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-04 22:03     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-05  7:11       ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-05 15:38         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-05 18:47           ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-05 19:17             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-05 19:33               ` Justin Burkett
2024-02-05 23:05                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-06  2:49                   ` Justin Burkett
2024-02-06 23:12                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-07 12:35                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-07 18:31                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-07 19:13                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-07 19:51                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08  1:46                           ` Visuwesh
2024-02-08  6:59                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-08 12:18                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08 13:02                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-08 13:36                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08 13:52                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-08 14:43                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08 16:12                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-11  2:17                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-11  2:39                                             ` Po Lu
2024-02-11 12:30                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-11  6:49                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-11 12:26                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-11 15:00                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-11 20:36                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08 16:50                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-08 13:41                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08 13:51                                   ` Rebinding Fn [Re: discoverability, better defaults and which-key in Emacs] Alan Mackenzie
2024-02-08 13:55                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-08 14:04                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-02-08 13:25                           ` discoverability, better defaults and which-key in Emacs Po Lu
2024-02-08 13:27                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08 13:36                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-01  7:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-01 21:16   ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-02  6:43     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-02  7:00       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-02  7:43         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-02 15:25           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-02-02 15:53             ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-02 16:04             ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-03 11:46             ` Jeremy Bryant [this message]
2024-02-03 11:39           ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-03 12:12             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-03 14:07               ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-03 15:15                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-04 22:18                   ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-05 12:41                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-03 11:30       ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-03 11:36       ` Moving which-key ELPA package into core - " Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-03 16:34         ` Stefan Monnier
2024-02-04 22:12           ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-04 23:06             ` Stefan Monnier
2024-02-01 21:17   ` orzodk
2024-02-01 22:24     ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-01 23:49       ` orzodk
2024-02-02  6:31     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-02 16:00   ` Howard Melman
2024-02-02 19:24     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-02 19:32       ` tomas
2024-02-02 20:16         ` Howard Melman
2024-02-03  7:25           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-03  8:49           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-03 16:58             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-02-04 22:25               ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-04 22:55                 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-05  3:40                   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-04 23:47                 ` Drew Adams
2024-02-05  1:46                   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-05  3:52               ` Divya Ranjan
2024-02-05 15:04                 ` Drew Adams
2024-02-04 18:34             ` Howard Melman

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