From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jeremy Bryant Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggestion: Ace-window in Emacs core for switching windows? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321059 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas writes: > Philip Kaludercic writes: > >> Given that we already have windmove, would the addition of ace-window >> really change that much? > > The same argument could be used for many packages that we have in core. > Who needs Gnus when you have rmail, and so on. The packages do > basically the same thing, but in very different ways. > > I don't use ace-window myself, but note that it is the 28th most popular > package on MELPA with 1,773,799 downloads, only slightly behind > 'which-key' in popularity that we just added to core. > > See: https://melpa.org/#/?sort=downloads&asc=false > > Until we figure out how to bundle GNU ELPA packages, something that has > seen little progress in a long time, I think there is a case to be made > for adding some of the more popular packages to core. FWIW, my personal reason for using ace-window is due to helping with RSI. I find that the facility to navigate windows by staying on the home row reduces the travel distance on the keyboard. I recognise that this may not be as essential for other users, and offer these remarks just for wider understanding. >From ace-window.el: ;; By default, ace-window uses numbers for window labels so the window ;; labeling is intuitively ordered. But if you prefer to type keys on ;; your home row for quicker access, use this setting: ;; ;; (setq aw-keys '(?a ?s ?d ?f ?g ?h ?j ?k ?l)) I've adapted it to Dvorak layout as: (setq aw-keys '(?a ?s ?d ?f ?g ?h ?j ?k ?l))