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From: Pip Cet via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
To: "Pip Cet via \"Emacs development discussions.\"" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Cc: "Stefan Kangas" <stefankangas@gmail.com>,
	"Andrea Corallo" <acorallo@gnu.org>,
	"Gerd Möllmann" <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>,
	"Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@gnu.org>,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
Subject: Re: Merging scratch/no-purespace to remove unexec and purespace
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2025 22:36:42 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ikqvikzr.fsf@protonmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y10b77p7.fsf@protonmail.com>

"Pip Cet via \"Emacs development discussions.\"" <emacs-devel@gnu.org> writes:

> "Stefan Kangas" <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Pip Cet <pipcet@protonmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> "Stefan Kangas" <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Pip Cet <pipcet@protonmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> What I think we should do doesn't really matter, but it seems quite
>>>>> obvious to me that we should make the code on the master branch
>>>>> perform all three checks on all relocations, as the code on
>>>>> no-purespace does.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe.  But won't we get those checks with no additional effort once we
>>>> merge no-purespace,
>>>
>>> Yes, we will.  (And the forbidden symbol; even if the forbidden symbol
>>> doesn't cause trouble, which I think it will, it's simply very poor
>>> programming practice to do things that way, particularly since the
>>> crash may happen a long time after the compilation.  But, again, what I
>>> think obviously doesn't matter here.  I'll just remember that
>>> --enable-checking causes false positive crashes and shouldn't be used).
>>
>> I don't think the existence of one symbol that will crash Emacs in some
>> situations means that --enable-checking should be completely avoided.
>> It's still quite useful, and we're fine as long as we avoid using that
>> one symbol, right?
>>
>> OTOH and IMHO, it would be preferable if that symbol could not crash
>> Emacs.  Can we come up with a good way to fix that, while preserving the
>> check that Andrea wants to keep?
>
> That sounds like a good thing to focus on, yes.  We need to have a value
> in a vector that we Fread that is distinguishable from all other values.

I just reread the code, and #$ may be what we're looking for.  It's a
unique value that we can pass in to Fread (let-binding load-file-name),
and it already exists.  OTOH, it's used for docstrings normally, so it
may be cleaner to invent new read syntax.

I'd really like to fix this.

> For example, right now this code doesn't work:
>
> (let ((print-circle t) (read-circle nil))
>   (message "%S" (funcall (native-compile (lambda () #1=[#1#])))))
>
> (read, of course, with read-circle bound to t)
>
> but this does:
>
> (let ((print-circle t) (read-circle nil))
>   (message "%S" (funcall (lambda () #1=[#1#]))))
>
> So this seems like a cheap drive-by fix.

The non-nativecomp code also breaks if read-circle is nil (I assume this
is related to autoload), so it isn't just the nativecomp code that
should be fixed.

Pip




  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-01-03 22:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-17 10:47 Merging scratch/no-purespace to remove unexec and purespace Stefan Kangas
2024-12-17 13:12 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-17 14:20   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-17 14:30     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-17 17:56       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-17 18:50         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-17 18:56           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-18 12:55             ` Andrea Corallo
2024-12-18 14:03               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-18 16:05                 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-18 16:30                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-18 16:25                 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-18 22:27                   ` Andrea Corallo
2024-12-19  9:28                     ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-19 10:38                       ` Andrea Corallo
2024-12-19 10:50                       ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-19 12:08                         ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-19 17:55                           ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-19 20:13                             ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-20 15:59                               ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-20 16:22                                 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-20 17:25                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-20 20:35                                     ` Andrea Corallo
2024-12-20 20:39                                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-21  6:33                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-21  6:56                                         ` Andrea Corallo
2024-12-20 20:38                                     ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-20 20:57                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-03 22:36                               ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions. [this message]
2025-01-03 23:50                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2025-01-04  7:26                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 11:12                                   ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2025-01-04 13:50                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06 19:05                                       ` Andrea Corallo
2025-01-07 12:46                                         ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-20  8:42                             ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-18  0:18         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-17 19:30 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-17 20:47   ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-18  2:15     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-18  7:11       ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-18 13:35         ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-18  6:56     ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-21 17:41       ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-21 18:32         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-21 22:19         ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-22  1:28         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-22 11:12           ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-22 13:07             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-22 14:12               ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-22 15:51             ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-22 17:09               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-22 17:10               ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2025-01-04  0:09                 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-22 13:13           ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-22 14:16           ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-18  9:30   ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-18  0:50 ` Po Lu
2024-12-18  2:12   ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-18 21:26   ` Stefan Monnier

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