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From: Karl Fogel <kfogel@floss.red-bean.com>
Cc: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: C-h C-i
Date: 18 Jun 2004 19:19:42 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87hdt8z9ep.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1BbWNl-0001DT-81@fencepost.gnu.org>

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> Lately I have seen people spending a lot of time discussing minor
> issues.  This time sink is getting in the way of useful work.
> When you see such a discussion develop, please wait a day before
> saying anything more.  Then you'll see if I make a decision or not.
> If I don't make a decision, you can go back to arguing, if you don't
> have anything else to do.

People spend their time on minor issues largely because there is no
bug tracker and no clear path to "the next goal" -- release,
milestone, whatever.  When you see everyone spinning out into "what
color to paint the bikeshed" discussions, it is a sign that nothing
more compelling has presented itself to occupy them.

If there were more organization, to make it obvious what the useful
work is, people would be doing that instead.  You want lead a
network-based development project, but while avoiding technologies
that require being attached to the network regularly.  This
contradiction is part of the problem.  Minor issues will continue to
dominate, as long as people do not see an organized, trackable
presentation of high-priority issues, maintained in real time.

-Karl

  reply	other threads:[~2004-06-19  0:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 143+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <E1Ax1Br-0005C3-OL@fencepost.gnu.org>
2004-03-05 10:05 ` Documentation for "Clone Buffers" (corrected version) Alan Mackenzie
2004-03-09 15:40   ` David Kastrup
2004-03-10 11:29     ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-03-12  5:12       ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-03-12 16:34         ` Karl Berry
2004-03-14  2:32           ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-03-14  7:36             ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-14 18:17               ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-03-14 18:24                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-14 18:37                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-03-14 19:58                 ` Karl Berry
2004-03-15  3:14                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-03-15  6:46                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-15 23:35                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-03-16  5:37                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-15 23:41                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-03-16 12:09                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-14 13:39             ` Karl Berry
2004-03-14 16:57               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-15  4:57             ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-12  5:22       ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-03-12  1:24     ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-03-15  5:05       ` Juri Linkov
2004-03-15 13:27         ` Stefan Monnier
2004-03-15 17:06           ` Miles Bader
2004-03-15 17:08           ` David Kastrup
2004-03-16  7:02           ` Juri Linkov
2004-03-12  2:45     ` Miles Bader
2004-03-09 23:40   ` Alex Schroeder
2004-03-12 10:57     ` Kai Grossjohann
2004-04-25  4:32       ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-25 13:37         ` Karl Berry
2004-06-17 16:33         ` C-h C-i Juri Linkov
2004-06-17 10:29           ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-18  7:16             ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-18  8:18               ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-18 14:55                 ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-18 12:33                   ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-18 19:00                     ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-19  3:19               ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-19  0:19                 ` Karl Fogel [this message]
2004-06-20  0:42                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-20  1:17                     ` Miles Bader
2004-06-20  1:29                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-20  1:51                         ` One possible bug-tracking system Karl Fogel
2004-06-20 13:23                           ` Alex Schroeder
2004-06-20 12:42                             ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-20 19:39                               ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-06-20 13:38                                 ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-21  9:31                                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-21  9:41                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-22 23:17                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-21 12:02                                     ` Arne Jørgensen
2004-06-22 23:16                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-21 18:26                                     ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-21 22:28                                       ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-22  2:00                                       ` Marcelo Toledo
2004-06-22 23:17                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-20 19:18                   ` C-h C-i Richard Stallman
2004-06-20 20:47                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-06-20 23:15                       ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-20 23:37                         ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-06-22  2:49                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-22  2:48                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-21  5:20                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-06-22  2:49                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-22  5:20                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-06-26 10:41                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-06-22  2:04                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-06-22 23:17                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-18 21:51           ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-14 21:55     ` Documentation for "Clone Buffers" (corrected version) Stefan Monnier
2004-03-16 12:09       ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-15  6:28     ` Juri Linkov
2004-03-16 19:03       ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-10  3:37   ` Miles Bader
2004-03-10 18:45   ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-10 18:45   ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-11 14:55     ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-03-14  5:53       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-14  9:48         ` David Kastrup
2004-03-14 16:50           ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-16 12:09             ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-15 18:18           ` Matthew Mundell
2004-03-15  5:18         ` Juri Linkov
2004-03-15  6:52           ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-15 13:34             ` Stefan Monnier
2004-03-15 14:35               ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-03-15 20:03                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-15 20:40                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-03-15 19:55               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-16 19:02               ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-16  7:05             ` Juri Linkov
2004-03-16 19:43               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-18  7:21                 ` Juri Linkov
2004-03-19  5:01                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-18 18:37               ` Karl Berry
2004-03-18 18:53                 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-03-19 14:11                   ` Karl Berry
2004-03-19 17:13                     ` Stefan Monnier
2004-03-21  4:58                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-19 14:59                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-19 17:31                     ` Stefan Monnier
2004-03-19 17:47                       ` Karl Berry
2004-03-20 14:04                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-21  5:00                           ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-21  6:19                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-22  5:24                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-22  6:40                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-22  5:24                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-22  6:33                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-23  3:04                                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-21 17:18                             ` Karl Berry
2004-03-22  5:25                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-22  7:26                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-23  3:04                                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-23  3:04                                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-23  6:10                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-24  5:34                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-22 16:13                           ` Stefan Monnier
2004-03-22 16:10                         ` Stefan Monnier
2004-03-23  0:20                           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-03-23  2:26                             ` Stefan Monnier
2004-03-23  6:19                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-20 14:37                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-20 18:01                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-19 15:01                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-19 15:15                   ` Karl Berry
2004-03-20 14:07                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-20 14:15                       ` Karl Berry
2004-03-20 15:15                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-20 19:27                           ` Miles Bader
2004-03-21  5:55                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-22  5:25                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-22  6:12                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-21  5:00                           ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-21  6:28                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-20 18:01                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-21  5:51                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-22  5:25                     ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-22  6:29                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-15  4:56       ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-10 18:45   ` Richard Stallman

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