From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Shawn Betts Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:05:29 GMT Message-ID: <87hdj7ik8m.fsf@verizon.net> References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111255728 29580 80.91.229.2 (19 Mar 2005 18:08:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:08:48 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 19 19:08:48 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCiNH-0008A9-Oa for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:08:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCie1-0007VD-G7 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:25:53 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!trndny06.POSTED!25c3448d!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 Original-Lines: 27 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.201.123.127 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net Original-X-Trace: trndny06 1111255529 151.201.123.127 (Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:05:29 EST) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:05:29 EST Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129421 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24976 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24976 PT writes: > Exactly. I don't know what resources are at the emacs developers' > disposal (do they work on it on their free time? is some of them paid > to work on Emacs?), but if companies see more value in emacs then > they might even sponsor developing some new features for them. > > At companies when it comes to choosing a developer tool the > recommendation of the employees and their existing experience with > those tools can be an important factor at the decision. So if Emacs > is more newbie friendly that can mean more potential users, more > value as a tool for employers and possibly more resources for future > development. Are you suggesting that Emacs become more palatable for companies? How would that benefit Emacs? So you'd have a bunch of fools getting paid to add ghastly features to Emacs that only a pointy haired boss would like? I think the only way something good could come from it is if companies changed to recognize how awesome Emacs is. Your intentions are good: get more people hacking emacs. But the method would destroy everything that makes Emacs great in the first place. -Shawn