From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs 22 branch created. Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:21:55 +0200 Message-ID: <87hcr1m0a4.fsf@ambire.localdomain> References: <871wi9jw37.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <462E7B94.3000008@gnu.org> <462F0A07.50104@gnu.org> <864pn4an8j.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <86zm4w97du.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <20070425195026.GA19472@printf.se> <20070427133832.22F374DD5F@rocksteady.printf.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1177744926 477 80.91.229.12 (28 Apr 2007 07:22:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:22:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: henrik.enberg@telia.com, Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 28 09:22:03 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HhhFn-0008Ub-CN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:21:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HhhLi-0004Ub-Su for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 03:28:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HhhLf-0004UN-JM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 03:28:03 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HhhLb-0004T9-Lj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 03:28:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HhhLb-0004Sv-Fv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 03:27:59 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp-out4.libero.it ([212.52.84.46]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HhhFc-0005m3-TJ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 03:21:49 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (172.31.0.43) by smtp-out4.libero.it (7.3.120) id 4611FF52018E182C; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:21:46 +0200 X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it Original-Received: from smtp-out1.libero.it ([172.31.0.37]) by localhost (asav-out3.libero.it [192.168.32.31]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YYzRXKos8xuZ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:21:46 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ambire.localdomain (151.21.37.221) by smtp-out1.libero.it (7.3.120) id 4611FC91024F15CA; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:21:46 +0200 Original-Received: from ttn by ambire.localdomain with local (Exim 4.50) id 1HhhFj-0000gJ-UJ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:21:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat\, 28 Apr 2007 00\:06\:58 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:70312 Archived-At: () Richard Stallman () Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:06:58 -0400 The only other controversy seems to be the encoding stuff. I don't really understand Richard's objections to what people suggested (i.e., store the messages undecoded). It would require either (1) displaying messages in a separate buffer or (2) reencoding the text when you move away to display another message or save the file. #1 is intolerable because it means C-x b RMAIL RET won't take you to the current message. #2 is quite a pain to implement. it seems to me the two design criteria are to maintain the same buffer and to maintain the same (undecoded, mbox format) text on disk. so how about displaying the decoded message in the current buffer as an overlay of the (undecoded) text? overlays do not get saved, normally, and can be made to show the decoded message. this satisfies the criteria. thi