From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Scratch buffer annoyance Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 19:59:03 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87hcndc3zc.fsf@jurta.org> References: <85ejinrqgk.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <35917.128.165.123.18.1185998078.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <85vebzq7vd.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87odhqethv.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87zm18v7ug.fsf@jurta.org> <85abt7kck1.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1186334070 10060 80.91.229.12 (5 Aug 2007 17:14:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:14:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 05 19:14:28 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IHjgQ-0005sY-Fc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 19:14:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IHjgL-0003DF-6r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 13:14:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IHjgG-0003Cu-PQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 13:14:16 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IHjgD-0003Cg-U3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 13:14:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IHjgD-0003Cd-P3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 13:14:13 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp-out.neti.ee ([194.126.126.39]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IHjfV-0007uQ-JE; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 13:13:30 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by MXR-4.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73751235A05; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 20:13:02 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.4.3 (20060930) (Debian) at neti.ee Original-Received: from smtp-out.neti.ee ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (MXR-2.estpak.ee [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 91hHwwk2E4wN; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 20:12:51 +0300 (EEST) Original-Received: from Relayhost2.neti.ee (Relayhost2 [88.196.174.142]) by MXR-4.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1714F23B541; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 20:12:51 +0300 (EEST) Original-Received: from mail.estpak.ee (84-50-157-21-dsl.est.estpak.ee [84.50.157.21]) by Relayhost2.neti.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA8B41C6702; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 20:12:50 +0300 (EEST) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat\, 04 Aug 2007 23\:05\:30 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:76055 Archived-At: > Then it would not be possible to specify a mode for *scratch* unless > one also makes *scratch* the startup screen. > > As I understand it, part of the idea of this change is that > there won't BE a *scratch* buffer if you don't request it > in `initial-buffer-contents'. It is very useful to create a *scratch* buffer at startup, even if it is not displayed immediately. But there is no need to replace `initial-major-mode' with using your idea that t of a new option means display a *scratch* buffer created in mode specified by `initial-major-mode'. The only problem remains I think that the name `initial-buffer-contents' is worse than simply `initial-buffer'. It gives a false impression that that some contents gets insterted into some fixed initial buffer. Perhaps, a better name is `initial-display'? This has clear semantics: display the startup screen initially, display a *scratch* buffer, display the home directory... -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/