From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org,
"Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>,
Edward O'Connor <hober0@gmail.com>,
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: 23.0.60; Defaut encoding for XML files should be undefined (instead of utf-8)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:07:50 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87hcg7xh2h.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bq6fnrpt.fsf@catnip.gol.com>
> You know, it's nice if people use self-describing documents, but Emacs
> is an _editor_, not an xml validation system.
Emacs is an editor, so what? That's hardly an exclusive description
of Emacs! If PSGML is loaded it is also an SGML validation system;
I'm not sure whether the state of the art includes XML validation, but
there's no reason it shouldn't, and every reason it should.
> It should handle things gracefully, as best it can, even if the
> user is being a bit lazy.
What's ungraceful about C-x C-s responding with
Warning: This XML document does not seem to conform to XML
charset declaration rules. Would you like to
(1) add an XML processor instruction (coding cookie)
(2) link to a parent document which specifies the encoding
(3) create a dummy parent document (available only to your sessions)
(4) save as is in the [buffer-file-coding-system] encoding?
Doesn't it already do similar things if b-f-c-s is iso-8859-1 and you
try to save Japanese?
Nor is it an issue of lazy users. Users *should* be lazy. *We*
should do as much work as possible for them, and make standards
conformance the path of least resistance. But what I think is
happening here is that some *developers* simply dislike standards
(standards "enslave" you, dontcha know?), and others are lazy.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-02-18 0:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-02-15 9:06 23.0.60; Defaut encoding for XML files should be undefined (instead of utf-8) Sébastien Vauban
2008-02-15 22:32 ` Edward O'Connor
2008-02-15 22:54 ` Jason Rumney
2008-02-15 23:24 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-15 23:34 ` Jason Rumney
2008-02-15 23:42 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-16 3:42 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-18 2:49 ` Jason Rumney
2008-02-18 3:01 ` Jason Rumney
2008-02-16 4:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-16 7:17 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-16 9:58 ` Jason Rumney
2008-02-16 11:23 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-16 12:07 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-17 3:52 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-17 14:31 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-17 22:24 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-17 22:27 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-18 0:07 ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2008-02-18 3:16 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-18 6:26 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-18 6:40 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-19 7:17 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-19 7:19 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-19 21:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-19 22:47 ` Jason Rumney
2008-02-19 22:58 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-20 0:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-19 15:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-19 22:02 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-18 14:59 ` Projects and multi-file documents (was: 23.0.60; Defaut encoding for XML files should be undefined (instead of utf-8)) Stefan Monnier
2008-02-18 18:51 ` Projects and multi-file documents Ralf Angeli
2008-02-18 16:35 ` 23.0.60; Defaut encoding for XML files should be undefined (instead of utf-8) Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-16 17:03 ` Jason Rumney
2008-02-16 17:31 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-17 3:53 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-18 3:22 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-18 6:01 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
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