From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Interactive hat. Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:47:41 +0900 Message-ID: <87hc1gxrw2.fsf@xemacs.org> References: <20090323223703.GA5650@muc.de> <20090324135210.GA4657@muc.de> <20090325101650.GA1487@muc.de> <20090325105316.GB1487@muc.de> <87ocvplkb5.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <20090326115154.GB3358@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1238078542 19493 80.91.229.12 (26 Mar 2009 14:42:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:42:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , Miles Bader , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 26 15:43:39 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Lmqnp-0001B6-0O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:43:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59493 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LmqmR-0000b4-OW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:42:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LmqlF-0007yR-0Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:40:49 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LmqlA-0007vm-9D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:40:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52137 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LmqlA-0007vf-3n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:40:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]:40539) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Lmql7-0004fK-Iz; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:40:41 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F8A91535AC; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:40:38 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1EA9211F389; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:47:41 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" 83e35df20028+ XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:109856 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > > If it's possible to code everything we need with a symbol property, I > > think the interactive hat mechanism should be removed. > > You got things backwards here: the "^" describes the behavior of > the command, so it should be part of the command, not its name. In XEmacs, both descriptions are incorrect. "Shifted motion selects" is a property of the key, not of the command nor of its name. > The ability to use a symbol property for that is a hack that can > come in handy at times, but it's still just a hack. XEmacs has used a variable containing a list of key names that might have this behavior for ten years with no apparent ill-effects. And it similarly has been hard-coded to the shift key for ten years with no apparent ill-effects.