From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: MON KEY Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: authinfo gnutls netrc.el auth-sources & smtpmail-starttls-credentials Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:05:04 -0400 Message-ID: <87hbyl17un.fsf@sandpframing.com> References: <87r5xpia2a.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1244865379 23066 80.91.229.12 (13 Jun 2009 03:56:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 03:56:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ted Zlatanov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 13 05:56:17 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MFKLo-00059C-K4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Jun 2009 05:56:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56785 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MFKLo-0008Mw-62 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:56:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MFKLi-0008K9-Ax for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:56:10 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MFKLd-0008Jx-T3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:56:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40704 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MFKLd-0008Ju-Nc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:56:05 -0400 Original-Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.146]:9339) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MFKLd-0007fd-BF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:56:05 -0400 Original-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so1464907qwj.24 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.224.60.194 with SMTP id q2mr5123321qah.135.1244865364500; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from slaptop.derbycityprints.com ([32.179.159.12]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm803095qwh.21.2009.06.12.20.56.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:56:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87r5xpia2a.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:25:17 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.94 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111475 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > I appreciate your suggestions very much. I am just asking you to No problem. Gladly. > present them in a way that I can understand more readily. From looking This might be a problem. > at the stream of Emacs bug reports for a while, most people can submit > verbal explanations just fine, using code to support but not replace I find that hard to believe. Does D. Armstrong have an 800#? I'll consider leaving a message next time :P > them. For reference, here's what M-x report-emacs-bug suggests: This is not of itself a bug. > Sure, let's hope whoever does will write a patch or explain it better. Sure. why not. > All right. Please use e-mail next time, so you can be clear in what > you're reporting. It would have saved time, and is the standard way to > report security issues. See, as you say the issue at hand isn't of itself a bug. Ted, this 'time thing' is an entity of your concern and one to which I don't subscribe. Another possible approach might be not trying to save time by assuming you know the answer before you understand the question. > Your cleanup sets auth-sources to nil. That would screw up my setup, at No. Your setup would've been screwed when you failed to save state or open a second session should that have been your primary concern. Setting auth-sources to nil was right proper and polite thing to do given the context. > least. It's definitely not OK to just evaluate it; there were many As you say. Not OK. > other issues I don't have time to list and which are not really If you knew Time as well as I do you wouldn't talk about wasting IT. It's HIM. > The patch is against Emacs CVS. Let me know what you think. Yes. > MK> Is it reasonable for an hypothetical 'average Emacs user' to expect to > MK> reliably debug/troubleshoot and configure an auth-source initiated > MK> transaction config using the current 'auth regime' and expect a safe, > MK> transparent, self cleaning, logging facility to aid in the process? > Sure. There you have it. > Now, what are you suggesting should be changed or improved? Please see my post elsewhere on this thread vis a vis imap.el > Can you give a specific example illustrating these problems, so I can I have. s_P