From: Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, ding@gnus.org
Subject: Reducing Gnus dependencies in message.el (was: Sending attachments)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:51:56 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87hbxdsjgj.fsf_-_@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1MMrcO-0000SJ-K8@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:52:32 -0400")
On Sat, Jul 04 2009, Richard Stallman wrote:
> > I object strenuously to the idea of replacing the very simple Mail
> > mode with something complex from Gnus.
>
> It's a question of necessary complexity.
>
> I don't think so. Look at all the libraries message.el loads.
>
>
> (require 'hashcash)
> (require 'canlock)
We can eliminate these by using autoloads. canlock is used for news
postings in Gnus by default. Hashcash is an optional feature for
mail.
> (require 'mailheader)
[mailheader.el is not part of Gnus, but part of Emacs.] Required to
insert correctly formated (quoting, folding, ...) headers into mail
message buffers.
;;; mailheader.el --- mail header parsing, merging, formatting
[...]
;;; Commentary:
;; This package provides an abstraction to RFC822-style messages, used in
;; mail, news, and some other systems. The simple syntactic rules for such
;; headers, such as quoting and line folding, are routinely reimplemented
;; in many individual packages. This package removes the need for this
;; redundancy [...]
> (require 'gmm-utils)
;;; gmm-utils.el --- Utility functions for Gnus, Message and MML
... is an attempt to reduce Gnus dependencies from Message and MML
files.
> (require 'nnheader)
>
> That loads
> (require 'mail-utils)
[mailutils.el is not part of Gnus, but part of Emacs]. It provides
utility functions for mail handling. Both, rmail.el and sendmail.el
use it. I see no point in avoiding using it.
;;; mail-utils.el --- utility functions used both by rmail and rnews
[...]
;; Utility functions for mail and netnews handling. These handle fine
;; points of header parsing.
> (require 'mm-util)
;;; mm-util.el --- Utility functions for Mule and low level things
... needed for MIME.
> (require 'gnus-util)
I will try to eliminate this dependency.
> ;; This is apparently necessary even though things are autoloaded.
> ;; Because we dynamically bind mail-abbrev-mode-regexp, we'd better
> ;; require mailabbrev here.
> (if (featurep 'xemacs)
> (require 'mail-abbrevs)
> (require 'mailabbrev))
Handling expansions of mail aliases.
> (require 'mail-parse)
For parsing and encoding headers and body correctly.
> (require 'mml)
Required for MIME handling (e.g. sending attachments).
> (require 'rfc822)
[rfc822.el is not part of Gnus, but part of Emacs.] Uses to ensure that
address headers are RFC822-compliant. Is also used in rmail.el.
> (require 'ecomplete)
We can eliminate these by using autoloads. ecomplete is optional.
> I don't want to replace the simple sendmail.el with this tremendous
> pile of complexity.
>
> message.el is also 8000 lines long, where sendmail.el is under 2000
> lines. I expect that sending attachments won't require more than 200
> lines.
Doing all aspects of MIME mostly correct is not quite simple. Many
MUAs (Mail User Agent) have severe bugs WRT this. When reading about
non-trivial topics in the relevant newsgroups, most of the time only
mutt and Gnus do the right thing.
Bye, Reiner.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-07-15 21:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 167+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-07-01 19:47 Sending attachments Richard Stallman
2009-07-01 19:58 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-05 0:06 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-05 21:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06 3:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-11 15:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06 15:04 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-11 15:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-12 10:11 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-13 12:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-14 10:44 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-14 13:10 ` Leo
2009-07-14 13:52 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-15 16:45 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-07-15 18:18 ` Frank Schmitt
2009-07-16 4:42 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-16 5:19 ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-16 14:30 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-07-15 18:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-16 16:17 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-16 18:17 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-07-17 12:20 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-19 0:55 ` Mike Kupfer
2009-07-16 1:10 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-16 5:30 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-19 4:37 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-16 14:45 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-07-17 13:30 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-17 18:05 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-07-18 17:11 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-18 19:15 ` rfc2047.el dependencies on mm-util.el (was: Sending attachments) Reiner Steib
2009-07-19 4:36 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-19 5:30 ` rfc2047.el dependencies on mm-util.el Stefan Monnier
2009-07-19 23:21 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-20 18:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-20 18:26 ` Bastien
2009-07-20 18:45 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-21 14:41 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-19 18:10 ` rfc2047.el dependencies on mm-util.el (was: Sending attachments) Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-19 23:22 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-22 21:57 ` Kevin Ryde
2009-07-18 17:11 ` Sending attachments Richard Stallman
2009-07-14 16:17 ` Jonathan Rockway
2009-07-14 18:33 ` Bastien
2009-07-14 18:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-16 1:11 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-16 1:12 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-05 22:39 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-06 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-07 9:43 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-01 23:34 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-02 19:21 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-03 2:37 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-03 7:44 ` message-mode / mail-mode (was: Sending attachments) Teemu Likonen
2009-07-03 8:43 ` message-mode / mail-mode Miles Bader
2009-07-03 8:55 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-03 9:07 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-07-05 21:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06 6:45 ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-11 10:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-02 1:01 ` Sending attachments Robert J. Chassell
2009-07-02 13:39 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-02 14:33 ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-02 16:40 ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-03 22:52 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-04 14:39 ` Robert J. Chassell
2009-07-04 15:19 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-07-02 17:26 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-03 13:47 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-03 14:21 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-05 21:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-06 16:07 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-07 10:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-07 12:19 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-07-08 0:16 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-08 9:46 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-07-08 18:34 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-08 20:36 ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-09 11:53 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-08 11:41 ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-08 13:41 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-08 14:16 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-07-08 14:27 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-08 14:40 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-07-08 15:09 ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-09 2:47 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-09 11:54 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-09 20:43 ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-10 6:39 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-10 9:02 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-10 11:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-10 11:55 ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-11 18:30 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-10 12:42 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-11 18:29 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-10 9:17 ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-08 19:07 ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-09 11:54 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-09 20:47 ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-08 19:08 ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-07 12:48 ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-06 16:16 ` Glenn Morris
2009-07-07 10:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-03 17:37 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-03 22:52 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-04 15:11 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-07-04 15:54 ` Leo
2009-07-05 14:47 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-06 20:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-07 1:12 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-07 3:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-07 4:54 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-07 19:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-11 18:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-11 20:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-07 9:43 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-07 10:11 ` Richard Riley
2009-07-07 13:53 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-07 10:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-07 13:49 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-08 0:16 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-10 13:29 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-11 19:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-15 21:51 ` Reiner Steib [this message]
2009-07-03 14:21 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-04 15:33 ` Chad Brown
2009-07-04 15:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-04 17:08 ` Chad Brown
2009-07-05 10:18 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-05 1:40 ` Daniel Pittman
2009-07-05 2:39 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-05 3:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-05 3:44 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-05 18:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-05 20:44 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 3:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-06 3:50 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 4:54 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 20:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-06 22:35 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-07 0:59 ` Kenichi Handa
2009-07-07 9:43 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-08 0:16 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-11 15:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06 6:37 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-06 7:47 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 20:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-06 14:13 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-06 20:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-07 5:57 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2009-07-06 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-11 19:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-11 19:41 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-12 3:05 ` Leo
2009-07-12 3:10 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13 12:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-15 9:35 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-15 11:44 ` Richard Riley
2009-07-15 14:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-05 22:56 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-06 20:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-05 8:01 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-07-05 8:30 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-05 20:05 ` Byung-Hee HWANG
2009-07-05 20:22 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
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