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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117398 Archived-At: Hello Karl. Karl Fogel writes: > Óscar Fuentes writes: >> Bazaar supports quite a few models and can be confusing for those who >> only know the centralized paradigm. IMHO the documentation should >> recommend a model for beginners and give very detailed instructions for >> it (maybe already does, I didn't read it). > > It does. See > > http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/BzrForEmacsDevs#RegularContributors > > (I'm sure it could be improved, of course.) Some random comments. For large compiled projects such as Emacs, the use of feature branches is not that great. First, building takes a long time. Second, it imposes a large penalty on those who just want to hack some elisp. On my private work I'm on a similar scenario and don't know how to solve this. Maybe a system based on `bzr switch' is the solution for Emacs, although it is not so simple to understand as feature branches. For the diehard CVS users, beginning with a single work branch is the solution. `bzr shelve' would help them, but if you are going to explain all that on the emacs wiki page, maybe better write the most simplistic guide about getting a working copy of Emacs and direct them to bazaar's GettingStarted. The document says: If you’re one of the Emacs maintainers, then you can just push it directly to the upstream master: bzr push %%bzr+ssh://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/sources/emacs/trunk/%% (what about the % symbols?) it is worth noting that bzr can remember a default location for push, pull, etc. So maybe something like this: If you’re one of the Emacs maintainers, then you can just push it directly to the upstream master: bzr push --remember bzr+ssh://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/sources/emacs/trunk/ The next time bzr will remember the URL and you will need only bzr push Maybe `bzr info` is worth some attention too. -- Óscar