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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>, Jason Rumney <jasonr@gnu.org>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Inadequate documentation of silly characters on screen.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:13:36 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87hbso347j.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvocmxs2n9.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

Stefan Monnier writes:

 > string-as-unibyte returns a new string, so no: they were not the same.

Sorry, `toggle-enable-multibyte-characters' was what I had in mind.
So, yes, they *were* *indeed* the same.  YHBT (it wasn't intentional).

I dunno, de gustibus non est disputandum and all that, but this idea
of having an in-band representation for raw bytes in a multibyte
string sounds to me like more trouble than it's worth.  I think it
would be much better to serve (eg) AUCTeX's needs with a special
coding system that grabs some unlikely-to-be-used private code space
and puts the bytes there.  That puts the responsibility for dealing
with such perversity[1] on the people who have some idea what they're
dealing with, not unsuspecting CC Mode maintainers who won't be using
that coding system.

And it should be either an error to (aset string pos 241) (sorry
Alan!) or 241 should be implicitly interpreted as Latin-1 (ie, ?ñ).  I
favor the former, because what Alan is doing screws Spanish-speaking
users AFAICS.  OTOH, the latter extends naturally if you have plans to
add support for fixed-width Unicode buffers (UTF-16 and UTF-32).

Vive la différence techniquement!

Footnotes: 
[1]  In the sense of "the world is perverse", I'm not blaming AUCTeX
or TeX for this!





  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-21  4:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-18 19:12 [acm@muc.de: Re: Inadequate documentation of silly characters on screen.] Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-19  1:27 ` Fwd: Re: Inadequate documentation of silly characters on screen Stefan Monnier
2009-11-19  8:20   ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-19  8:50     ` Miles Bader
2009-11-19 10:16     ` Fwd: " Andreas Schwab
2009-11-19 12:21       ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-19 13:21       ` Jason Rumney
2009-11-19 13:35         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-19 14:18         ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-19 14:58           ` Jason Rumney
2009-11-19 15:42             ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-19 19:39               ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-19 15:30           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-19 15:58             ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-19 16:06               ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-19 16:47               ` Aidan Kehoe
2009-11-19 17:29                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-19 18:21                   ` Aidan Kehoe
2009-11-20  2:43                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-19 19:45                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-19 20:07                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-19 19:55                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-20  3:13                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-19 16:55               ` David Kastrup
2009-11-19 18:08                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-19 19:25                   ` Davis Herring
2009-11-19 21:25                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-19 22:31                       ` David Kastrup
2009-11-21 22:52                         ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-23  2:08                           ` Displaying bytes (was: Inadequate documentation of silly characters on screen.) Stefan Monnier
2009-11-23 20:38                             ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-23 21:34                               ` Per Starbäck
2009-11-24 22:47                                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-25  1:33                                   ` Kenichi Handa
2009-11-25  2:29                                     ` Displaying bytes (was: Inadequate documentation of silly Stefan Monnier
2009-11-25  2:50                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-25  6:25                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-25  5:40                                     ` Displaying bytes (was: Inadequate documentation of silly characters on screen.) Ulrich Mueller
2009-11-26 22:59                                       ` Displaying bytes Reiner Steib
2009-11-27  0:16                                         ` Ulrich Mueller
2009-11-27  1:41                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-27  4:14                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-25  5:59                                     ` Displaying bytes (was: Inadequate documentation of silly characters on screen.) Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-25  8:16                                       ` Kenichi Handa
2009-11-29 16:01                                     ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-29 16:31                                       ` Displaying bytes (was: Inadequate documentation of silly Stefan Monnier
2009-11-29 22:01                                         ` Juri Linkov
2009-11-30  6:05                                           ` tomas
2009-11-30 12:09                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-30 12:39                                               ` tomas
2009-11-29 22:19                                       ` Displaying bytes (was: Inadequate documentation of silly characters on screen.) Kim F. Storm
2009-11-30  1:42                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-24  1:28                               ` Displaying bytes Stefan Monnier
2009-11-24 22:47                                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-25  2:18                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-26  6:24                                     ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-26  8:59                                       ` David Kastrup
2009-11-26 14:57                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-26 16:28                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-27  6:36                                         ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-24 22:47                                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-20  8:48                       ` Fwd: Re: Inadequate documentation of silly characters on screen Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-19 19:52                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-19 20:53                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-19 22:16                       ` David Kastrup
2009-11-20  8:55                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-19 20:05                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-19 21:27                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-19 19:43               ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-19 21:57                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-19 23:10                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-19 20:02               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-19 14:08     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-19 14:50       ` Jason Rumney
2009-11-19 15:27         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-19 23:12           ` Miles Bader
2009-11-20  2:16             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-20  3:37             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-20  4:30               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-20  7:18                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-20 14:16                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-21  4:13                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2009-11-21  5:24                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-21  6:42                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-21  6:49                           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-21  7:27                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-23  1:58                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-21 12:33                           ` David Kastrup
2009-11-21 13:55                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-21 14:36                               ` David Kastrup
2009-11-21 17:53                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-21 23:30                                   ` David Kastrup
2009-11-22  1:27                                     ` Sebastian Rose
2009-11-22  8:06                                       ` David Kastrup
2009-11-22 23:52                                         ` Sebastian Rose
2009-11-19 17:08       ` Fwd: " Alan Mackenzie
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-11-18  9:37 Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-18  9:40 ` Miles Bader
2009-11-18 10:15   ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-18 12:03     ` Jason Rumney
2009-11-18 15:02     ` Stefan Monnier

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