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From: Jason Earl <jearl@notengoamigos.org>
To: Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu>
Cc: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>,
	"Andreas Schwab" <schwab@linux-m68k.org>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: log format for vc-bzr
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:27:45 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87hbs1at4u.fsf@notengoamigos.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200912082203.nB8M3FLP023771@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> (Dan Nicolaescu's message of "Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:03:15 -0800 (PST)")

Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu> writes:

> Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org> writes:
>
>   > Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es> writes:
>   > 
>   > > Useless for whom? For the developer who is working on the
>   > > feature? No, they are small milestones and state-savers (for
>   > > synchronizing his desktop with his laptop, for instance). For
>   > > the other developers? Yes, but that's the reason why merged
>   > > history is hidden by default.
>   > 
>   > Such a useless commit history should never be published in the
>   > first place.
>
> And to build on your argument: if the developer decides to put
> something in a log, then it must be relevant, so we should show it by
> default.

Really?  Perhaps I am just showing my ignorance, but I make trivial
commits all of the time with bzr.  As Óscar pointed out I will often
commit with a message like "Switching to main desktop" or "Time to go
home."  This might seem like junk (and it mostly is junk), but I have
surprised myself quite a few times by actually using these cues to
remember why it was that I left off where I did.

That doesn't mean that I want all of these commit messages to show up in
the log when I do bzr log on the mainline.  As a bzr user I personally
think that bzr has the right default in this case.  While working on a
feature or fixing a bug I can use the commit message to remind me what I
am doing.  When I finally merge, however, I need to create a commit
message that is more substantial.

I suppose that git users use rebase to erase all of the "junk" commit
messages.  From what I understand I can do the same with bzr.  However,
if I want to work on the same patch on more than one machine doing
things this way seems to raise the level of difficulty high enough that
I can't figure out how to do it :).

Now, obviously, you can write vc-mode so that it shows commit messages
that bzr log hides by default, but this will be quite surprising to
people that use bzr.

Jason




  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-12-09  0:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-08 17:47 log format for vc-bzr Dan Nicolaescu
2009-12-08 19:19 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-08 19:47   ` Andreas Schwab
2009-12-08 20:15     ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-08 21:10       ` Andreas Schwab
2009-12-08 22:03         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-12-08 22:36           ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-09  0:27           ` Jason Earl [this message]
2009-12-09  8:55             ` Andreas Schwab
2009-12-09  9:55               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-12-09 14:41                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-12-09 20:29               ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-09 21:49                 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-12-09 22:34                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-09 23:15                     ` Andreas Schwab
2009-12-10  2:03                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-12-10  9:12                         ` Andreas Schwab
2009-12-10 12:28                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-07 21:23                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-01-07 21:47                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-08  0:40                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-01-08  9:00                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-08 10:09                           ` reversion revulsion [was: log format for vc-bzr] Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-01-08 10:53                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-08 13:41                               ` reversion revulsion Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-01-08 14:32                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-08 14:47                                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-01-08 11:21                             ` reversion revulsion [was: log format for vc-bzr] Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-08 12:36                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-08 13:27                                 ` reversion revulsion Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-08 16:54                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-08 17:57                                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-08 13:29                                 ` reversion revulsion [was: log format for vc-bzr] Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-08 13:32                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-08 10:28                           ` log format for vc-bzr Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-08 12:01                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-08 12:24                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-08 12:52                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-08 13:22                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-08 13:50                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2010-01-08 14:28                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-08 14:39                                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-01-08 17:56                             ` bzr Q&A [was Re: log format for vc-bzr] Glenn Morris
2010-01-09 10:35                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-09 17:58                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-08 10:50                           ` log format for vc-bzr Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-08 12:20                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-08 12:29                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-08 13:39                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-09 10:51                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-08 13:48                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-08 16:57                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-08 17:45                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-08 19:35                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-08 19:41                                       ` Miles Bader
2010-01-08 21:22                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-08 20:46                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-08 21:29                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-08 21:51                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-08 22:24                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-08 23:05                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-09  8:50                                                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-01-09  9:36                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2010-01-09 13:35                                                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-01-09  3:45                                             ` Miles Bader
2010-01-08 11:54                           ` Daniel Clemente
2010-01-08 16:45                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-09  3:18                               ` Daniel Clemente
2010-01-09  9:37                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-12-09  1:32   ` Stefan Monnier

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