From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: AW: delete-selection-mode Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 02:36:04 +0200 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87hbod9mh7.fsf@mail.jurta.org> References: <201003130001.o2D01FFQ003489@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <87vdd1yqe4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87eijjzrkd.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> <874okf8dep.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <7697A57B1AD9104F993CDF6A5B69430C0A70E50872@CORPMAIL08.corp.capgemini.com> <4BA0CDF9.40707@online.de> <76682E4761EA432EB929E5E199B0F92A@us.oracle.com> <87wrxb57e1.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87sk7z571u.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <81674B067AF84670A2EDDB0178E0C0CC@us.oracle.com> <877hpa68ys.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <874oke4kor.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87pr32pd9j.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <0726390D71674C4EB1561AF2D9527D66@us.oracle.com> <87ocilfl02.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878w9p9y8t.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87iq8tice9.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <7B14780B0DA244AF8AB12E33886E24E6@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268959318 2165 80.91.229.12 (19 Mar 2010 00:41:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Chong Yidong' , 'David Kastrup' , emacs-devel@gnu.org, 'Stefan Monnier' , 'Miles Bader' To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 19 01:41:52 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsQHg-0004s8-Do for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 01:41:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45518 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NsQHf-0007Hy-Ms for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:41:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NsQHZ-0007Gh-69 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:41:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=47335 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NsQHX-0007E7-DG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:41:44 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsQHV-0008I3-FE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:41:42 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp-out2.starman.ee ([85.253.0.4]:60284 helo=mx2.starman.ee) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsQHN-0008GX-E0; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:41:34 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by Amavisd-New at mx2.starman.ee Original-Received: from mail.starman.ee (82.131.94.132.cable.starman.ee [82.131.94.132]) by mx2.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C903F40C2; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 02:41:26 +0200 (EET) In-Reply-To: <7B14780B0DA244AF8AB12E33886E24E6@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:56:57 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122233 Archived-At: >> As I understand from counter-arguments, opponents agree with >> self-inserting characters replacing the region, but only when >> the region is activated explicitly, and not by side-effects of >> setting the mark or exchanging the mark and point. > > Not this "opponent". I agree with self-inserting characters replacing > the active region _always_, no matter how it was activated. That's the > point of "active". > > And I hold that the region should be activated simply by setting the mark or > exchanging the mark and point. That's my position too. This problem is mostly irrelevant to enabling d-s-m. Everyone who don't like C-SPC or C-x C-x activating the region can turn off t-m-m or use additional C-u/C-g. IOW, t-m-m should go hand in hand with d-s-m. And turning off t-m-m should also turn off d-s-m. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/