From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jay Belanger Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Failing to see the allure of Emacs Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 20:03:15 -0500 Organization: mail2news@dizum.com Message-ID: <87hbo5dxgs.fsf@gmail.com> References: <877hp5e2op.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87pr2u7ie3.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <9uudnY0F7J_qFjfWnZ2dnUVZ8oCdnZ2d@posted.visi> Reply-To: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1272998617 9074 80.91.229.12 (4 May 2010 18:43:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 18:43:37 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 04 20:43:36 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O9N5j-0005eC-RF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 May 2010 20:43:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59832 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O9N5j-0003fS-3L for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 May 2010 14:43:35 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!194.109.133.84.MISMATCH!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!news.wiretrip.org!news.dizum.com!sewer-output!mail2news Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:IIAnX2b5DttHSaZx07armzBAnII= X-Vpipe: Scanner said ok (av_avast) X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 614, in=435, out=0, spam=0 ip=24.116.73.151 X-Originating-IP: 24.116.73.151 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Mail-To-News-Contact: abuse@dizum.com Original-Lines: 37 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:177563 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:73051 Archived-At: > Please don't tell me "use info", Then don't use it; the documentation is available in hard copy, html, etc. What is your preferred form? > because info is designed and intended not for reading, but for brief, > casual online reference, and that is its cognitive organization. Where did you get that idea? > It's poor as a learning tool, at least for text-based and > example-based learners like me. It is text-based, and whether or not an info document is example based depends (like everything else) on who wrote it. > I'm a fast reader and I like hectares of well-indexed text with lots > of bookmarks: that's my best medium. Good info documentation is made up of hectares of well-indexed text; bookmarks you can put in yourself. > If documentation is worth doing -- and I think it is -- then it's > worth doing well, in a way that meets the needs of the people who'll > actually use it. That is what Emacs documentation strives to do. If there is a problem with it, that is a bug and feel free to report it as such. > In that light, emacs documentation seems to me to hold up not too > well. Nobody is required to like Emacs documentation, but your comments give the impression that you haven't looked at it.