From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Locks on the Bzr repository Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:21:31 +0900 Message-ID: <87hbin6m04.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <4C6D56DB.7040703@swipnet.se> <4C6D8EC5.7040901@swipnet.se> <4C6E1F0A.7070506@swipnet.se> <837hjlr78p.fsf@gnu.org> <87zkwhtws5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83tymppj62.fsf@gnu.org> <871v9t8klf.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83lj81pazq.fsf@gnu.org> <83aaogpcbu.fsf@gnu.org> <87vd737pxd.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83pqxboi38.fsf@gnu.org> <87r5hr6qvf.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1282469111 11071 80.91.229.12 (22 Aug 2010 09:25:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 09:25:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 22 11:25:05 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1On6nS-0002SG-To for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:25:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50731 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1On6nR-0003ZU-1R for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 05:24:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=46065 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1On6nI-0003Z2-2V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 05:24:49 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1On6nG-0002jE-Rk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 05:24:47 -0400 Original-Received: from imss12.cc.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.254.161]:53876) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1On6nF-0002ij-52; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 05:24:45 -0400 Original-Received: from imss12.cc.tsukuba.ac.jp (imss12.cc.tsukuba.ac.jp [127.0.0.1]) by postfix.imss70 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E28BF4003; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:24:42 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (unknown [130.158.97.224]) by imss12.cc.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA10F4002; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:24:42 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38751970305; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:24:42 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DAA1E1A2C38; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:21:31 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" ed3b274cc037 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:129019 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > > isn't a problem if you rebase. > > Stefan says bzr's rebase is unreliable. I know it's limited, but I'm pretty sure it works fine in the simple case I described. > I just completely misunderstood the use-case you were describing. Ah. OK, no problem. > indeed. The only problem is with having the changes on a branch > instead of mainline of the history, unless rebase is used. Yeah, as I wrote elsewhere, bzr doesn't really give you a good way to work around that (unless you are in a position to pull contributions into the project mainline, but that doesn't work for Emacs). > There's one other problem with holding back commits to minor > problems: someone else could solve the same problem in the > meantime. Apart of the obvious social issues ("I was the first to > fix it"), there's the issue of wasted effort. I don't consider that wasted effort, actually. The person who gets there first usually gets the credit, the second person is a perfect candidate to review. :-) > I guess no one seriously considered all these issues Er, no. Several of us told you, at greater or lesser length, that these were going to be issues, and that git was a much better fit for Emacs. That advice was completely ignored. > because we believed (and still do) that bzr will eventually become > faster on Savannah. Perhaps one day we will abandon that hope and > turn to resolving these issues instead. I don't think you can, without redesigning bzr. Faster, yes, but this issues about mainline confusion, no.