From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Feature change or bug - Emacs server Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 10:47:26 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87hb7t7my9.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87ei30k5xs.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1307980090 31046 80.91.229.12 (13 Jun 2011 15:48:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:48:10 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 13 17:48:05 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QW9Mz-0004qV-1P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:48:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58585 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QW9My-0004Kp-7z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:48:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:56161) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QW9Mc-0004K3-70 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:47:44 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QW9MZ-0000l5-E0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:47:42 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:53140) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QW9MY-0000kl-Ub for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:47:39 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QW9MX-0004dS-DI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:47:37 +0200 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.133 ([38.98.147.133]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:47:37 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.133 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:47:37 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 42 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.133 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:+HyFYtJILYZdbEmq0eNttTul9Kk= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:140415 Archived-At: On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:09:23 +1000 Tim Cross wrote: TC> For emacs to really be a good desktop environment in this age, I TC> think it must have the ability to provide access to rich web content TC> - content that uses javascript, html5 etc. I think within Emacs, w3m and shr.el are sufficient; Firefox and Chrome are usable in the Emacs-based desktop environment I propose. Trying to track the pile of... standards... that is HTML plus Javascript plus CSS is IMO a waste of time. The battle was lost in 1993 or so; a web browser is today not so much a program as a compromise over which standards to follow and to what extent. So I'd rather let web browsers do that, and Emacs should not try to do it. TC> As we can see from the lack of development with emacs w3, there does not TC> appear to be much interest in developing a full featured web browser in TC> emacs. I think w3m has provided 95% of what's needed, and the rest is external. TC> IMO for emacs to be a really useful desktop environment, it will be TC> necessary to provide some sort of web interface and is able to TC> support rich web content. You said that already :) TC> WRT things like an emacs panel, its not clear to me what real benefit such TC> things would have if you are looking at emacs as the desktop environment. TC> Essentially, what would an emacs panel provide for emacs that you don't TC> already have or is it just putting together what we do have in a more TC> convenient form? emacs-panel.el will provide several things that gnome-panel and friends provide today. The goal is to reduce the need for GNOME and KDE (and others, like XFCE), in the process saving memory, resources, and providing a richer, more customizable environment. I listed all the things emacs-panel.el should provide in http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/139687 and am working (slowly) on implementing them. Ted