From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bidi-display-reordering is now non-nil by default Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 18:30:56 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87hb5qim2n.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87bowa7dza.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <877h6y7chn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <831ux6cv5o.fsf@gnu.org> <87d3gpku3o.fsf@gnus.org> <834o1ypa2b.fsf@gnu.org> <87aabnn3mz.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83mxfnwwyd.fsf@gnu.org> <87ipqbzogt.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83liv7wqhe.fsf@gnu.org> <87liv75xsh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83k4arvx05.fsf@gnu.org> <87bow116je.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83wrepyq3r.fsf@gnu.org> <87sjpar2l2.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83aabizh94.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1312907485 16009 80.91.229.12 (9 Aug 2011 16:31:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 16:31:25 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 09 18:31:21 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QqpD6-0003nh-WA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 18:31:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37217 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QqpD6-00025T-J9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 12:31:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:40447) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QqpD2-000251-1M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 12:31:19 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QqpCy-0000PR-2g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 12:31:16 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:47818) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QqpCx-0000PC-Lx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 12:31:12 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QqpCu-0003g0-S0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 18:31:08 +0200 Original-Received: from p508ede6c.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.142.222.108]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 18:31:08 +0200 Original-Received: from dak by p508ede6c.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 18:31:08 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 33 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p508ede6c.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:m3zgkmXxAQZLmfM+5L4IF7tydPk= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:143065 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Chong Yidong >> Cc: larsi@gnus.org, list-general@mohsen.1.banan.byname.net, >> emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 12:07:05 -0400 >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> > Seriously, though: why do you need any conditions here? An LRM will >> > have no effect if str is not reordered, so why not put it there >> > unconditionally? >> >> Suppose a user kills some text from a Gnus summary buffer which contains >> these LRM characters, and yanks it into a latin-1 file. Suddenly, that >> file can't be saved, even though there is no non-latin-1 script in the >> buffer clearly visible. > > When you type "C-x C-s", Emacs clearly shows the characters that > cannot be encoded as Latin-1. We all bump into such issues from time > to time, especially when communicating via email or news articles. I > see no particular problem here. We see such issues in general only when there has been some external source of foreign characters in play. But when I am copying and pasting elements from an ASCII-only user interface showing ASCII-only summary lines, there has not been any external source of foreign characters involved. Emacs should not become unpredictable in an ASCII-only environment with ASCII-only data sources. Let alone in a latin-1 environment. -- David Kastrup