From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ian Zimmerman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 10:18:57 -0700 Message-ID: <87hb3qj8n2.fsf@foolinux.dyndns.org> References: <87litcvtu2.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <877h4mpqg2.fsf@foolinux.dyndns.org> <87wrcmxwg2.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1317662357 2416 80.91.229.12 (3 Oct 2011 17:19:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:19:17 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 03 19:19:13 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RAmAb-00012z-5P for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 19:19:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49857 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RAmAa-0004g4-KD for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 13:19:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:53524) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RAmAV-0004eu-RI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 13:19:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RAmAU-0001RT-AH for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 13:19:07 -0400 Original-Received: from li225-69.members.linode.com ([173.255.215.69]:57313 helo=ahiker.homeip.net) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RAmAT-0001RC-W7 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 13:19:06 -0400 Original-Received: from adsl-75-30-79-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net ([75.30.79.187] helo=matica) by ahiker.homeip.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RAmAS-0006ng-17 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 10:19:04 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87wrcmxwg2.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> (Tassilo Horn's message of "Mon, 03 Oct 2011 11:21:01 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 173.255.215.69 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:82420 Archived-At: Ian> It would make me scream every time I select a region and then Ian> forget about it (which is _very_ often) and then try to activate Ian> delete-backward-char with DEL (which is _also very often_). Tassilo> How can you forget about your active region? I mean, it's Tassilo> highlighted. If you already turned off transient-mark-mode, Tassilo> then you won't be affected anyway. Ian> By the way, what would delete-backward-char be bound to if this Ian> change is implemented? Tassilo> ,----[ C-h f delete-backward-char RET ] | delete-backward-char Tassilo> is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `simple.el'. Tassilo> | Tassilo> | It is bound to DEL. One reaction to both hunks: have you read the actual proposal by RMS? I have, but perhaps I misread it so in that case please point out my error. As I understand it if the proposal is approved active region status or transient-mark-mode won't matter - it will be enough to just have a region at all (ie. to have set a mark and have mark != point). And, this command will be bound to DEL, replacing the current binding to delete-backward-char. Since delete-backward-char seems to have no other key binding, I was interested if another binding for it was planned. In the end, this doesn't matter very much to me practically, because a one line addition to my .emacs would revert to the old behavior [1]. But I strongly object philosophically, along the lines expressed in the other subthread. [1] It would be a pain when running with -q, though. -- Ian Zimmerman gpg public key: 1024D/C6FF61AD fingerprint: 66DC D68F 5C1B 4D71 2EE5 BD03 8A00 786C C6FF 61AD Rule 420: All persons more than eight miles high to leave the court.