From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Using cl in rst.el and elsewhere Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:12:34 +0900 Message-ID: <87hautw0kd.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <30996.1335792548@eskebo.merten-home.homelinux.org> <7259.1336421206@theowa.merten-home.homelinux.org> <6563.1338323400@theowa.merten-home.homelinux.org> <5656.1338405342@theowa.merten-home.homelinux.org> <607.1338631547@eskebo.merten-home.homelinux.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1338693175 13276 80.91.229.3 (3 Jun 2012 03:12:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 03:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stefan Monnier , Stefan Merten , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Leo Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 03 05:12:53 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb1FK-000405-9N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 05:12:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50664 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb1FJ-0004BQ-EM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 23:12:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44462) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb1FF-0004B4-Hc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 23:12:47 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb1FC-0006xy-Iv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 23:12:45 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.74]:46075) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb1FC-0006xG-A3; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 23:12:42 -0400 Original-Received: from 218.231.234.39.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.231.234.39] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb1F5-0003Jt-Np; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:12:35 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B0AB0E003; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 12:12:34 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: (Leo's message of "Sun, 03 Jun 2012 10:21:24 +0800") Original-Lines: 22 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 203.216.5.74 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:150748 Archived-At: Leo writes: > We are already using CLOS (in the form of EIEIO), so the elisp lib cl.el > really has been unfairly treated for such a long time because it was put > into emacs too ahead of time and because of rms's dislike of CL (the > language). Also putting a cl- in front of everything merely reminds > people of Common Lisp. Can we just think of cl.el as some good ideas > stolen from Common Lisp and forget about it hereafter. Well cl.el certainly isn't common-lisp, that's for sure... Unfortunately, it seems that a goal of cl.el was to sorta-kinda give an _illusion_ of being CL. It seems a lot of the ugliness of cl.el is tied up in that attempt, and the result is such a tangled ball of hair that teasing out clean subsets doesn't seem trivial. -miles -- /\ /\ (^.^) (")") *This is the cute kitty virus, please copy this into your sig so it can spread.