From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jambunathan K Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 21:39:43 +0530 Message-ID: <87hajn4muw.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87ober717z.fsf@gmail.com> <87mwu9iwcp.fsf@gmail.com> <87mwu9fiu0.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87d2v4f5bb.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87r4jjp2d2.fsf@yandex.ru> <8738vagciq.fsf@gmail.com> <87a9pgayzy.fsf@gmail.com> <87bo9wyr74.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87y5d0m3l3.fsf@gmail.com> <515BE920.1000503@online.de> <87obdwvw6v.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <515BF509.2040706@online.de> <87k3ok9bq7.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <87r4ir4r19.fsf@gmail.com> <83bo9vir0k.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1365005406 18464 80.91.229.3 (3 Apr 2013 16:10:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:10:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ttn@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 03 18:10:32 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UNQGd-0000Kl-Ne for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:10:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43966 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNQGE-00084q-QP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:10:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53713) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNQG5-0007tE-NT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:10:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNQG4-00028R-E4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:09:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pd0-f174.google.com ([209.85.192.174]:64071) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNQG4-00028G-7G; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:09:56 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pd0-f174.google.com with SMTP id p12so933263pdj.19 for ; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 09:09:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wyrQEQ98S1R68h0FC3ksMih1AHEBUtX8OWbqk8grYQA=; b=ogreIoaJYdXh1LWF7yRxaxyt0/k+rhvkmqoo0ut0eikcLM+R6Q3oZx/Qz03gjMzcyr lZwCr0HZbInPoXhPu9XJPoR0K6EUYKPB7IyHyt076Z6yl7T5QX1/FxCNh9f2U3HPHLgu KJDaYy636hot+g5sMuyxOc/bYo+IwCYTHFk+0cPkfXOl4euZ2EO/onBedXcio9vBOVAU fYgaAKVGyTH4sSJzzFE3If1tOfo6rZw4hROdunRkoiHB6Z4GcIwwDgBGXAHhGg9n5Cq4 MQ1TPsuy1l1x2zijrxf4yjdVlsrjP3+dB5GFJOaMHb/NG42zmEn9w+cA99IaVLRIA0j5 gLZA== X-Received: by 10.68.228.164 with SMTP id sj4mr3227984pbc.180.1365005395185; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 09:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.241.28.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id tf8sm6483029pbc.42.2013.04.03.09.09.51 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Apr 2013 09:09:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83bo9vir0k.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:16:11 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.192.174 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:158595 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Jambunathan K >> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 20:09:30 +0530 >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >>=20 >> Thien-Thi Nguyen writes: >>=20 >> > () Andreas R=F6hler >> > () Wed, 03 Apr 2013 11:23:21 +0200 >> > >> > Wherefrom the eagerness to remove Jambus's code then? >> > Seems more people believe that, even if it's wrong wrt GPL. >> > >> > The GPL exists to serve a social movement centered around sharing. >> > Releasing code under the GPL and then agitating to unshare that >> > (and/or future) code works against both the spirit of that movement >> > and the efforts of its supporters. >>=20 >> I haven't unshared anything. > > Yes, you have. > >> I am un-willing to allow the users of Org mode to enjoy the privileges >> of my changes within the comforts of Emacs. That's it. > > That's "unsharing" in my book. >From this distance, it is unclear if the book that you are holding is the one maintained by FSF. > I hope you realize that it's against the GPL spirit, and possibly also > the letter (IANAL), to restrict use of Free Software like that. Once > you start on this slippery path, your code is not longer free. I want to go back to the 4 definitions what constitutes a Free Software. * The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0). Yes, for this. * The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this. Yes, for this. * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor (freedom 2). Yes, for this. * The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others (freedom 3). By doing this you can give the whole community a chance to benefit from your changes. Access to the source code is a precondition for this. Yes, for this. >> So the changes will still continue to be shared and it won't be via >> Emacs. > > A.k.a. "non-free software". I not preventing Emacs from making use of it. I will retain the right to my changes.