From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: eww Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:12:02 -0400 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87haginubh.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87d2rkb1pi.fsf@fleche.redhat.com> <87fvwfa3ev.fsf@fleche.redhat.com> <874ncucrlz@ch.ristopher.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1372432366 16609 80.91.229.3 (28 Jun 2013 15:12:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:12:46 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 28 17:12:45 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UsaLs-00023J-8z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:12:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56008 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UsaLr-0006FR-QJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:12:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56466) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UsaLX-0005oi-OO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:12:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UsaLS-0004xv-KU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:12:23 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:60924) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UsaLS-0004xi-DM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:12:18 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UsaLO-0001e8-2A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:12:14 +0200 Original-Received: from pool-72-93-34-251.bstnma.east.verizon.net ([72.93.34.251]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:12:14 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by pool-72-93-34-251.bstnma.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:12:14 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 18 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-72-93-34-251.bstnma.east.verizon.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:0V9HiiQjDcVc9Zd/sdrSdi1VjHs= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:161227 Archived-At: On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 08:58:09 +0200 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: LMI> Stefan Monnier writes: >> Sounds highly hypothetical. If/when eww can be used to access such >> sites, maybe we can start worrying, but then even if you don't keep it >> in live data, the sensitive data may linger around in >> "garbage/free" memory. If you need to worry about that, you need to >> worry about a lot more than that. LMI> It's a matter of how big the attack surface is. Leaving the data in LMI> easily accessible structures indefinitely is a larger attack surface LMI> than killing off the buffer where the offending data is. This seems like a sensible use case for an opaque data type (as I've proposed before) that offers some guarantees that it's stored and wiped in a more secure manner than the default. Ted