From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Size of Gnus and Emacs Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 17:46:03 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87haasjz8b.fsf__17014.2414667227$1385916621$gmane$org@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> References: <87ob5k1a9q.fsf__48304.1452513591$1384626024$gmane$org@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87bo1jjg1w.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87mwl11hry.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87r4adywhk.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87eh6cyqed.fsf_-_@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87wqk381zk.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385916610 18880 80.91.229.3 (1 Dec 2013 16:50:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 16:50:10 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 01 17:50:17 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VnADp-0000vL-Fq for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 17:50:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60336 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VnADp-0006Oa-2f for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 11:50:17 -0500 X-Received: by 10.180.90.165 with SMTP id bx5mr8082268wib.1.1385916388843; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 08:46:28 -0800 (PST) X-FeedAbuse: http://nntpfeed.proxad.net/abuse.pl feeded by 88.191.116.97 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!bo7no21659892wib.1!news-out.google.com!z5ni2786wiy.1!nntp.google.com!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!nntpfeed.proxad.net!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!gegeweb.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 37 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: VVbyYd/iFZoeWNmD9i++cQ.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:wdoLiK+QETU/JeZdXfAtQH9r0XU= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:202498 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:94767 Archived-At: Jambunathan K writes: > Have you looked at the Emacs project page: > > http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ > > Here is a page of recent manuals. > > http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/index.html Thanks, no I haven't seen either of those pages. Since I discovered Gnus, I'm not surfing the web at all, almost. Except I use w3m to sometimes read documentation and to get the magnet links to download material. But I configured that so to a great extent I'm "bypassing" the web to get directly to what I need. I can't say I like the Internet, but I love Gnus, Usenet, and listbots. I think that's mostly because I'm so text-oriented. Even though I can use w3m to surf the web, and w3m is great from the "w3m point of view", however the Achilles's heel is that all the webpages are designed with the GUI browser in mind. That way, pages are bloated with material, and they use different fonts, font sizes, colors, etc. to communicate the "hierarchy" what's important and what's not. When you view such a page in w3m, you just get overwhelmed. But I guess if people wrote HTML/CSS with a clear distinction what is content and what is style, that would - *help*, but I don't think even that would solve this problem altogether. It seems to be a problem of technology which you cannot solve with technology. Copy: the w3m list -- Emanuel Berg, programmer-for-rent. CV, projects, etc at uXu underground experts united: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573