From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Joshua Judson Rosen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: CUA mode??? Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 14:39:03 -0500 Message-ID: <87ha9jeduw.fsf_-_@slice.rozzin.com> References: <20140103152117.GA16679@c3po> <20140104082857.GA22010@thyrsus.com> <87vbxzy3m4.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388866611 13083 80.91.229.3 (4 Jan 2014 20:16:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 20:16:51 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 04 21:16:59 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VzXeU-0003qb-9M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:16:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55638 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzXeT-0001SF-Oz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 15:16:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52982) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzXeM-0001RX-1w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 15:16:54 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzXeH-0004H0-MG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 15:16:49 -0500 Original-Received: from 209-20-69-211.slicehost.net ([209.20.69.211]:45622 helo=slice.rozzin.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzXeH-0004GA-He for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 15:16:45 -0500 Original-Received: by slice.rozzin.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D70E4C81FB; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 14:39:03 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87vbxzy3m4.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (David Kastrup's message of "Sat, 04 Jan 2014 20:00:03 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.20.69.211 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167320 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > > Tom writes: > > > Lennart Borgman gmail.com> writes: > >> > >> Beginners may face a high complexity and different terms (and > >> keyboard shortcuts) for rather familiar commands makes it much more > >> difficult.The difference might seem small, but since it raises > >> complexity for beginners it waists time for them. > > > > Kill/yank comes to mind as obvious example. The copy/cut/paste > > terminology is pretty much standard, so the various kill/yank > > operations (kill-region, copy-region-as-kill, etc.) should > > be mapped to these terms. > > The problem I see with that is that the terms are mnemonics for the > keybindings: the kill bindings contain "k", the yank bindings "y". "copY" and... "Kut" (with a "K" for extra hardness because it's a destructive operation?)? Also, didn't cua-mode already `fix' this: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/CUA-Bindings.html Though that brings me to something that's been bugging me since someone first told me (last year) that cua-mode had actually gone into emacs: my recollection from the early 1990s was that the CUA keystrokes for cut, copy, and paste were *not* C-x, C-c, and C-v; but rather S-delete, C-insert, and S-insert (respectively). These were the keystrokes that I remember using in Windows at the time, and what I've also been using in Emacs and other applications in X11 since about that time, and even what I used in applications on Mac OS X when I needed to use it just a couple of years ago. Wikipedia seems to agree with my memory rather than what's in the Emacs manual: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_User_Access Did the CUA spec actually change to use C-x, C-c, C-v at some point, or is Emacs cua-mode mistaken about which standard it's implementing? -- "'tis an ill wind that blows no minds."