From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Heerdegen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Helm (and?) or Icicles (possibly using Evil) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 22:09:06 +0200 Message-ID: <87ha5er0v1.fsf@web.de> References: <4cd079bd-9978-422f-9449-51d8fbe76485@googlegroups.com> <0d24af8b-a235-4c4e-b946-408c74d849a0@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1398629402 20243 80.91.229.3 (27 Apr 2014 20:10:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 20:10:02 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 27 22:09:52 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WeVOZ-0008Ii-BL for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Apr 2014 22:09:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40408 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WeVOY-0000ze-T5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Apr 2014 16:09:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45706) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WeVOG-0000kA-Jc for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Apr 2014 16:09:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WeVO9-00082V-4H for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Apr 2014 16:09:32 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:55025) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WeVO8-00082H-Tx for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Apr 2014 16:09:25 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WeVO7-0007Pj-Fk for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Apr 2014 22:09:23 +0200 Original-Received: from ip-90-187-86-177.web.vodafone.de ([90.187.86.177]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2014 22:09:23 +0200 Original-Received: from michael_heerdegen by ip-90-187-86-177.web.vodafone.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2014 22:09:23 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 30 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-90-187-86-177.web.vodafone.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.90 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:7Wth+hHdyT3qMHhSFhHynW8JPzc= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:97398 Archived-At: Hi Hans, > But again, comparative feedback from happy Helm users would be most > welcome, since there isn't nearly as much information on that topic > available online, particularly in 'the' wiki. I would not recommend to try to run Icicles and Helm in parallel. I would recommend to try them both, and decide for one of them. Helm and Icicles are both great packages for completion. The major features are astonishingly similar. None is a superset of the other, and for both, there are different cool extensions. Generally, Helm is a bit simpler and more straightforward, Icicles is a bit more general and comes with a a bit more flexible concept. In daily usage, I would say that you are a bit faster with Helm, but you can do a bit more stuff with Icicles. I can't say if I would recommend any of the packages for an Emacs newbie. One mayor design difference is that Icicles does support multi-line candidates, Helm does not. Icicles uses recursive Minibuffers in several ways, Helm does not. OTOH, Helm completion is often faster than doing something similar in Helm. BTW, AFAIK there is no counterpart in Helm for the Icicles' info stuff. HTH, Michael.