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From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Real-life examples of lexical binding in Emacs Lisp
Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 14:50:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87h9qu6xh8.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 7b497693-bd08-45c0-99f4-e70836437535@googlegroups.com

Rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> writes:

> I'd say you are getting this from the wrong end.
> Today (2015) dynamic scoping is considered a bug

"Bug" is too strong a word here.


> In 1960 when Lisp was invented of course people did not realize this.
> This is just a belated bug-fix

It is actually in 1960 (or a few years after) when LISP was invented,
that people realized there was the so called "Funarg problem".  During
the 60s this problem has been studied, several (faulty) solutions
proposed, and eventually the notions of lexical binding vs. dynamic
binding and environments were elaborated.

Other languages such as Fortran and Algol had already something like
lexical binding, but it was actually as accidental as the dynamic
binding of LISP, and of no consequence, since in those languages it was
not possible to create closures anyways. 

At the end of the 60s the solution to the FUNARG problem, ie. lexical
binding and the creation of closures was finally invented, and
implemented in PAL and eventually in scheme.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closure_%28computer_programming%29#History_and_etymology


But even in scheme, dynamic binding is useful and implemented (in
libraries).  In any lexical programming language, you can implement
dynamic binding when needed.


In conclusion, my point is that both lexical binding and dynamic binding
are useful techniques that can be used in programs, and there's no
reason to consider one or the others to be "bugs".  They are tools, and
you only have to know when to use them effectively.





J. Weisenbaum, "The FUNARG Problem Explained", MIT memorandum, 1968

J. Moses, "The Function of FUNCTION in LISP, or Why the FUNARG Problem
Should be Called the Environment Problem", AIM-199, June 1970.

-- 
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  reply	other threads:[~2015-05-30 12:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.3883.1432888152.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-29  9:30 ` Real-life examples of lexical binding in Emacs Lisp Joost Kremers
2015-05-29 11:12   ` Andreas Röhler
2015-05-29 12:13     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-29 16:21     ` Phillip Lord
2015-05-29 16:50       ` Yuri Khan
2015-05-29 12:28 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-05-29 17:16   ` Andreas Röhler
2015-05-29 18:43 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-05-30  5:49 ` Rusi
2015-05-30 12:50   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon [this message]
2015-05-30 15:23     ` Rusi
2015-05-30 15:50       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-05-30 16:21         ` Rusi
2015-05-30 16:03   ` Emanuel Berg
2015-05-30 16:32     ` Rusi
2015-05-30 16:54       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-05-30 17:10         ` Rusi
2015-05-30 19:12           ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-05-29  8:28 Marcin Borkowski
2015-05-30  8:28 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-14 10:52   ` Marcin Borkowski
     [not found]   ` <mailman.4976.1434279182.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-06-14 11:31     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-16 23:48       ` Jim Diamond
2015-06-17  0:06         ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-17  6:23           ` Andreas Röhler
     [not found]           ` <mailman.5136.1434522217.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-06-17 10:49             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-17 10:53               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-17 14:42                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-17 16:19                   ` Andreas Röhler
2015-06-17 19:30                     ` Tassilo Horn
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.5171.1434557990.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-06-17 17:12                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-17 20:22                   ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-17 22:13                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-17 23:46                       ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-18 14:57                     ` Udyant Wig
2015-06-18 15:47                       ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-19 13:49                         ` Udyant Wig
2015-06-17 20:33             ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-17 22:07               ` Robert Thorpe
2015-06-17 22:17                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-17  0:43         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-17 16:02         ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]         ` <mailman.5167.1434556959.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-06-23 23:49           ` Jim Diamond
     [not found] ` <mailman.3950.1432974543.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-30 12:59   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-14 10:55     ` Marcin Borkowski
     [not found]     ` <mailman.4977.1434279342.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-06-14 20:04       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-14 21:44         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-14 21:49           ` Pascal J. Bourguignon

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