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From: Oleh Krehel <ohwoeowho@gmail.com>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: multi-assignment setq [was: setq's with missing final arguments.]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 08:58:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87h9kdp2o7.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b43034dc-02e5-48f7-8175-1137c1941784@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 22 Nov 2015 07:53:52 -0800 (PST)")

Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

>> but multi-variable setq is just plain bad: it makes LISP less
>> lispy that it should be. For example: "(setq bar)" is a nice
>> sexp: you can delete it, copy it, comment it, move it around
>
> That quality is not what I consider "lispiness".  That same
> complaint applies to `let*' and a zillion other Lisp veterans.

By "lispiness" I mean the sexp structure that allows you to manipulate
code in a foolproof way and navigate it easier. That sexp structure also
applies to `let*', but doesn't apply for example to Clojure's `let'.

For example of being foolproof, exchanging the order of two `setq'
statements is a well defined, simple to automate operation. You can pull
it off with `transpose-sexps' if you position the point just
right. Alternatively, `kill-sexp' when positioned before the open paren
can also work for this.

On the other hand, multi-assignment setq isn't foolproof. You have to
count from sexp's start and make sure that you kill/paste starting from
the odd numbered list child and not from the even numbered. It's a
hassle that can easily be avoided. Using single-assignment setq adds
only 6 chars per assignment, compared to multi-assignment setq and:

- it reads better
- it navigates better (`forward-list' and `backward-list')
- it manipulates better



  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-23  7:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-22 12:26 setq's with missing final arguments Alan Mackenzie
2015-11-22 12:31 ` David Kastrup
2015-11-22 12:35 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-22 12:44   ` Teemu Likonen
2015-11-22 15:53   ` multi-assignment setq [was: setq's with missing final arguments.] Drew Adams
2015-11-23  7:58     ` Oleh Krehel [this message]
2015-11-23 15:02       ` Drew Adams
2015-11-22 12:52 ` setq's with missing final arguments Andreas Schwab
2015-11-22 13:03   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-22 13:08   ` David Kastrup
2015-11-22 13:11     ` Andreas Schwab
2015-11-22 13:23       ` David Kastrup
2015-11-22 13:34         ` Andreas Schwab
2015-11-22 14:10           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-11-22 15:44             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-22 19:44               ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-11-23  1:36                 ` Drew Adams
2015-11-22 15:42 ` Johan Bockgård
2015-11-22 16:04   ` Drew Adams
2015-11-22 15:52 ` Drew Adams
2015-11-22 23:08   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-11-22 23:20     ` John Wiegley
2015-11-23  1:54       ` Drew Adams

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