From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nicolas Petton Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: First draft of the Emacs website Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2015 16:42:05 +0100 Message-ID: <87h9k0svqq.fsf@petton.fr> References: <565EE871.6030805@gmail.com> <87d1uproci.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <878u5cswx2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1449070967 27576 80.91.229.3 (2 Dec 2015 15:42:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 15:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup , Random832 Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 02 16:42:37 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1a49YA-0006wu-TL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 16:42:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58824 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a49YA-0000Nf-5K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 10:42:34 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51509) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a49Xn-0000Jc-SQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 10:42:12 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a49Xk-00075I-EN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 10:42:11 -0500 Original-Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.28]:49184) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a49Xk-000758-Az for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 10:42:08 -0500 Original-Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1CB20C52 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 10:42:07 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 02 Dec 2015 10:42:07 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=7T61mJgME/szUMcwwdlMYybmctg=; b=n5vcF AXjKRGtBo2ufMJaegoINZuZyLzaPAL6uv1dYAAmBH54ahkyP6HkNBSkmajltyGl+ B+TwdrqX+rweoQ5iE4xEKX6lLfriDPJhjOsGPN/WrKar+XN+5xCRMAfxCABMyieJ DWL9GnAYFhCqci2tmPsCJ6vcZ3mglfqBO2FQUs= X-Sasl-enc: coO9itc73bDZi3tOo1kvjznG8xYbILeV5BmbsKK9H0Kn 1449070927 Original-Received: from blueberry (89-156-196-194.rev.numericable.fr [89.156.196.194]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 24206C016C4; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 10:42:07 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <878u5cswx2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Notmuch/0.20.2 (http://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/25.0.50.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 66.111.4.28 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:195753 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain David Kastrup writes: > The browser is in control of the client's computing resources, > compositing managing, window rendition, realtime. If it (or the user > settings controlling it) or the page description language does not > consider animating changes a good idea, the web page author is not > really in a position to know better. > The user has nothing to gain from every web page inventing its own > human-computer interface. Oh my gosh, the entire www has been wrong all this time! On a more serious note, animations have been well defined in the CSS standard for years[1], as well as through very common JS libraries[2], SVG animations[3], the HTML Canvas, etc. All of these are part of the web stack of every graphical web browser out there, I didn't invent anything here. > The whole point of HTML is to package content in a way where the > rendition is matched to the platform's capabilities. Come on, you very well know that HTML is about the content. Formatting, appearance, animations and such should be handled in CSS, JS, etc. Cheers, Nico [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-transitions/ [2] http://api.jquery.com/animate/ [3] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/animate.html --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWXxFNAAoJECM1h6R8IHkQ0h8H/38BGDG8rJPutGjK2ANbFvGF PCGqXlR3dp9Ff2MQm2Rhkw3BJ35xa4OqT/8B2H4yl4kG1Yxg3Fje7Gwjbw6ddVsM W3duFFtRdR7tOVtIbhhBqIqZbasz/If2tNPseD8Ar1YF2npVdzYBqiPqVn2gWo95 kpTQs/aKxoyWCLvtxgXXwvUqDGlUucZgCcN32Pj2bmuUY99/ErBJwwl+47hOtqhK uteSIyDZHdyjwjWcbZZWneSdRhOe3PLZqm2vJi7aiaL/faQPAvyxSC6vdtmwYoog AgFUm3l4Y/bCNX5KSFM8PyHmSLdjEbK3jBO8tTPgBtXGOlnYMN875wGK+NTeczc= =mWJ7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--