From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Recommend these .gitconfig settings for git integrity. 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[74.92.190.114]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o80sm1981317ioe.15.2016.02.02.15.22.29 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 02 Feb 2016 15:22:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <56B0ED78.5030209@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Tue, 2 Feb 2016 09:55:04 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c05::230 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:199195 Archived-At: Paul Eggert writes: >I will look into modifying autogen.sh to make this flag optional, >since there seems to be significant opposition to it. I still don't >understand why there's so much opposition, though. If the Emacs >repository becomes corrupted because this option was omitted, quite >possibly we won't notice, and even if we notice quite possibly we >won't fix it. I would hate to see that happen. I agree, but there's a clear majority (at least in this thread, which is all the information we have) in opposition to the setting being placed by autogen.sh, even with chatter. I think the right thing to do would be to revert it now. I'm not sure what it would mean to make the flag optional in autogen.sh. Does it mean autogen.sh would interactively query the user or something? If autogen.sh isn't going to do this automatically, then probably autogen.sh shouldn't do it at all, and we just have to rely on the advice in git-workflow and other places. Again, I personally agree with your reasoning & preference, Paul, but we're a minority and I think it's clear that reverting is the right step now. Just because one doesn't understand the opposition doesn't mean one can ignore it, when it's the majority. (The results last night out of Iowa here in the U.S. reminded me of this :-) .) Best regards, -Karl