From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Character folding in the pretest Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 22:12:34 +0100 Message-ID: <87h9hm275p.fsf@wanadoo.es> References: <87mvrg2zid.fsf@wanadoo.es> <20160204.180523.769253593641901728.wl@gnu.org> <20160205.070103.162978216111829522.wl@gnu.org> <83oabvvbkr.fsf@gnu.org> <831t8rufnx.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1454706783 1721 80.91.229.3 (5 Feb 2016 21:13:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 21:13:03 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 05 22:12:52 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aRngR-0000dI-03 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 22:12:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50433 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRngQ-0000ak-3o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:12:50 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49836) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRngL-0000aQ-QK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:12:46 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRngI-0000WB-Im for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:12:45 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:52990) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRngI-0000W5-B5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:12:42 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aRngH-0000Qk-3F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 22:12:41 +0100 Original-Received: from 1.red-83-38-42.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.38.42.1]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 22:12:41 +0100 Original-Received: from ofv by 1.red-83-38-42.dynamicip.rima-tde.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 22:12:41 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 23 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 1.red-83-38-42.dynamicip.rima-tde.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:QTdFPduts4o1fmSs8Rc32SbIUEI= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:199391 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Folding has nothing to do with respecting the alphabet. A and a are > not the same letters, either, and have distinct positions within the > English alphabet, This is big news to me. AFAIK `A' and `a' are the same letter, one in uppercase form and the other in lowercase form. The English alphabet consists on 26 letters. This is what I learned many years ago, but it seems that it is all wrong. In Spanish, `A' and `a' are the same letter. `á' and `a' are also the same letter. `n' and `ñ' are not the same letter. > and yet it is customary to have case folded during searching, and > Emacs does that by default. Maybe you are confusing C with English :-) Seriously, if you want a feature for the people who think on terms of encodings, that's fine, but please keep in mind that most people see text as text, the same thing they can write with a pencil, not series of bytes on Unicode, ASCII or whatever.