From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Achim Gratz Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 19:30:09 +0100 Organization: Linux Private Site Message-ID: <87h9h7ur4e.fsf@Rainer.invalid> References: <87mvr9wxqz.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87io1xwq1e.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87vb5wvzfz.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87io1wt4cc.fsf@wanadoo.es> <8737syoima.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <871t8iu277.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87y4apfpr6.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87wpq9qwia.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87k2m7qse0.fsf@wanadoo.es> <878u2mqhnl.fsf@wanadoo.es> <878u2jpy0t.fsf@fastmail.fm> <834md7wdtg.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1455733858 15488 80.91.229.3 (17 Feb 2016 18:30:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 18:30:58 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 17 19:30:45 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aW6s0-0000Yw-CT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 19:30:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60478 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aW6rz-0000qJ-QW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 13:30:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55973) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aW6rw-0000oO-9t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 13:30:33 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aW6rr-0002zZ-A0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 13:30:32 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:48801) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aW6rr-0002zQ-2r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 13:30:27 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aW6rp-0000Os-AG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 19:30:25 +0100 Original-Received: from p54b4660e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.180.102.14]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 19:30:25 +0100 Original-Received: from Stromeko by p54b4660e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 19:30:25 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 35 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p54b4660e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.90 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:CyKWfjgWI3JsunWQg/gyEGbWcmI= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:200090 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> The general opinion is also that char-folding is nonetheless useful to >> many users, despite the fact that it will generate incorrect results in >> some languages. The only question that needs to be answered right now is >> whether the feature will be turned on or off by default. And on that >> point, the tendency seems to be to have it off by default, with the >> ability to toggle it within an i-search. > > Actually, my counts indicate that more people want it on by default > than off. Well, if you're already counting, I don't want it on by default. I do have potential uses for the feature, but it must be switchable on the spot, when and where I need it. Even a mode-based customization seems too heavy-handed to me, at least in the modes I envision to work most of the time. Allow me to make a general remark towards the trend lately to "let's switch on every newfangled feature by default because it can be switched off via customization". I'm quite sure I can't be the only one who regularly has to work on new systems or accounts that only offer a stock Emacs. It is simply not possible to always figure out which Emacs version is installed and then spending the next half hour customizing it (if that's even allowed). So please keep the stock Emacs settings stable. Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ SD adaptation for Waldorf rackAttack V1.04R1: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSDada