From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? 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X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205449 Archived-At: On Fri, 08 Jul 2016 18:18:03 +0300 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Ted Zlatanov >> Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:49:50 -0400 >> >> Nickerson, R. S. (1998). Confirmation bias: A ubiquitous phenomenon in >> many guises. Review of General Psychology, 2(2), 175-220. EZ> Great, we are well on our way to explain any fact that contradicts our EZ> beliefs by quoting from papers on psychology! That was a citation, not a quote :) You asked for a plausible explanation for why no one in several projects complains about high barriers to contribution and I provided it. The citation was a shortcut so I didn't have to explain it in detail. The paper was actually a review of studies, showing significant empirical evidence, and not the original work on that topic by Peter Wason[1]. One way to prove me wrong is to look at the number of new contributors and churn (how many leave and don't come back) as a function of time, both in GNU projects and outside them. Is it correlated to the difficulty of contributing to a project? Is there any statistical evidence that high barriers discourage contribution? Is there any evidence of a correlation between code quality or bug counts with high barriers? That would be an interesting study that would benefit FSF/GNU as a whole, and would be much more convincing than our personal opinions. Ted [1] Wason, Peter C. (1960), "On the failure to eliminate hypotheses in a conceptual task", Quarterly Journal of Experimental Psychology (Psychology Press) 12 (3): 129–140.