From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Johan_Bockg=C3=A5rd?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master c75eb10: Don't change byte-compile-delete-errors at runtime (Bug#27340) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 00:11:46 +0200 Message-ID: <87h8yy78bh.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20170624141528.514.4459@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20170624141530.443C5210EB@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <87r2y28ule.fsf@gnu.org> <871sq28sk0.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1498774331 2639 195.159.176.226 (29 Jun 2017 22:12:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 22:12:11 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Noam Postavsky , Emacs developers To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 30 00:12:06 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dQhfN-0000EC-Hm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 00:12:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41475 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dQhfS-0004ux-TY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 18:12:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40434) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dQhfM-0004up-0C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 18:12:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dQhfH-0007z2-Vq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 18:11:59 -0400 Original-Received: from manu26.manufrog.com ([98.142.98.2]:44390) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dQhfH-0007yJ-RI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 18:11:55 -0400 Original-Received: from c-5306e555.04-211-6c6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se ([85.229.6.83]:54900 helo=muon.localdomain) by manu26.manufrog.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dQhfA-0047HD-BM; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 00:11:48 +0200 Original-Received: by muon.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id F3EA748420E; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 00:11:46 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:49:44 -0400") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - manu26.manufrog.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gnu.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: manu26.manufrog.com: authenticated_id: noreply@tryserumgardar.se X-Authenticated-Sender: manu26.manufrog.com: noreply@tryserumgardar.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 98.142.98.2 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:216054 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> The Hyperspec says that: >> >> 1. [declaim should] make definitions available both in the compilation >> and run-time environments. > > Hmm... the uses of declaim that I'm familiar with are optimization > settings for the compiler. These don't "make definitions available" > AFAICT. If foo.el contains a declaim to set the optimization level, > I don't see why it would make sense for this setting to affect all files > compiled after foo.elc was loaded (I can understand that the spec may > allow such a suboptimal behavior, but not that it would require it). In CL declaim can be used to make variables special. (In fact, `special' is the only declaration that must have an effect in all conforming CL implementations.) Also see https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.lang.lisp/rO1Vru1fbvI/-3FkSBvlE0gJ