From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: update intro to Emacs Lisp programming Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 19:57:44 +0200 Message-ID: <87h8mzh8tj.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <80DB6796-41FE-4090-B1DD-BF5AE3F4D0CF@scratch.space> <83zi16ofny.fsf@gnu.org> <6A8BB190-FA64-4697-AFDA-EFBEB4886230@scratch.space> <90addb33-6797-b203-4a67-a2a6c201bd81@cs.ucla.edu> <97CEED22-57CE-4715-9239-1557F38AD994@gmail.com> <376AD40E-4EEC-4DC6-ADDA-4E594EAFE1DE@gmail.com> <87bmddvvj8.fsf@mbork.pl> <87in7juhc6.fsf@mbork.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1527013527 30668 195.159.176.226 (22 May 2018 18:25:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 18:25:27 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 27.0.50 Cc: van@scratch.space, brandelune@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 22 20:25:23 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fLByM-0007sH-US for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 May 2018 20:25:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57237 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLC0T-0001c0-V3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 May 2018 14:27:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40546) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLBZN-0004AD-Lb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 May 2018 13:59:34 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLBZI-0005t6-Oj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 May 2018 13:59:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:34943) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLBZI-0005ep-GW; Tue, 22 May 2018 13:59:28 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C13AAE6D8A; Tue, 22 May 2018 19:59:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RhBF58OIlJz0; Tue, 22 May 2018 19:59:00 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (static-dwadziewiec-jedenpiec7.echostar.pl [109.232.29.157]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C6B2AE6D88; Tue, 22 May 2018 19:58:59 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.110.48.8 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:225568 Archived-At: On 2018-05-21, at 06:10, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > Argument: the popular ways of learning _now_ are blogs (which are the > > thing of "web 2.0", although nobody seems to be using that term now) and > > videos (and I think YouTube started the trend of people putting their > > videos on the Internet). > > One cannot refute, or consider, a fragmentary argument. With your > explanation, I see what the argument consists of and what conclusion > it tries to demonstrate. > > Thank you. > > Here is my response to the argument: > > That claim may be true for certain kinds of people, for instance young > people with a technical orientation who do everything by internet. I > suspect that many of you fit into that category. Most people do not. > > The Emacs Lisp Intro, in particular, is aimed at people who don't > pick things up quickly on the internet. > > That said, I would not mind if we offered a video also. Would someone > like to make one? Not me. (And BTW, I don't like learning from videos that much.) > As for "blogs", as far as I know that only means a sort of regular > series publication, usually not very long. How would this manual > differ from an item in a blog? Only by size? I would say that blog posts are much smaller and usually self-contained. But that is not very precise anyway. -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl